THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. 1. Humans are a simian that is possessed by an astral entity since 16-20 weeks in the foetus.

Humans do not really want to know how it works including most on FB....They are hypnotised by materialism and what they perceive..... THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. 1. Humans are a simian that is possessed by an astral entity since 16-20 weeks in the foetus...Most religions call this a 'soul'....This entity is astral so comes from a plane were they are aware of an infinite mind of computations and permutations... 2. The human ego uses the body and ego mind to reach out for thoughts and to create and divert and distract interminably..... 3. Nis says the ahamkara or astral ego cannot stand itself so it diverts constantly... 4.Animals are not possessed by an entity therefore even though the higher ones have IQ almost to the human level...they do not need to divert only play....so they neither build nor do they sow....or talk in vocals the lowest form of speech... Apes and Dolphins etc and may be octupii.... 5. So there is no end to human diversion and search for pleasure in this aim. Only realisation or Moksha stops this otherwise the body dies goes to the astral and comes back when its karma and vibrations pull it back... 6. All human activity has no reason and is an exercise in futility totally...occasionally love or joy breaks through the vasanas but is soon ended and pain returns..... ANIMALS DO NOT THINK LIKE THIS ....SO THEY ARE HAPPY.....TONY. Like · · Unfollow Post · Share . Tony O'Clery PLEASURE IS NOT HAPPINESS AND WITH REGARD TO HAPPINESS EVEN THE DEVAS/ANGELS/GODS TAKE BIRTH TO BE FREED FROM THEIR HAPPINESS AND FIND MOKSHA...

Hinduism or Sanathana Dharma is not a religlon

Let us get one thing absolutely clear.. Hinduism or Sanathana Dharma is not a religlon.....it is more than that and a way of life with an exit strategy... Only at the lower mentality level it does mimic religion , but even then the god or devas are regarded as aspects of the one encompassing Brahman, no separation. Religion needs to be dualistic and no exit strategy..with rules and regulations and intermediaries to the idea of 'god', who is separate. There are some cultural mores in Hinduism that have nothing to do with their system...They put down the Vedas and many scriptures and the kama sutra as well.......... Vedanta or the end of the upanishads is the most important but it is not a religion but an umbrella of 350 sects all devoted to aspects of Brahman...T. It is not a religlion like Sikhism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and the majorty of Buddhism which has become a religion.....

Ego Astral and what a human is

There are OBEs most of us have done that consciously or asleep, then there is mind travel which is much more subtle and can penetrate the astral levels to the level one is at..............I was initiated into this in India and i used it to help meditation as siddhis are a waste ot time....All astral ego stuff................. Like · · Share Tony O'Clery 28 minutes ago Human egos like hope and markers such as birthdays, baptisms, wedding etc et all seeking to add some permanance to what they call life...The ego does this as it comes from the astral where there is no death so it carries over............all self delusion in illlusion.... Like · · Share Tony O'Clery I suspect this feeds into the human lack of respect for human and other life. 25 minutes ago · Like Tony O'Clery The lower mind or ape mind is still there but the ego mind dominates and that is astral.............spirit if youi wish 14 minutes ago · Like Tony O'Clery Tony O'Clery 2 hours ago The biggest problem with humans is that they do not know they are not supposed to be here....---astral ego ahamkara. Even a so called evil spirit knows it is not supposed to be possessing but the ego entity or human soul is so ingrained over millions of years and vasanas that it doesn't know and the body cannot live through shock of it leaving except for muktas...........T. Like · · Share Puja Sinha likes this. Tony O'Clery the ego is full of future projection and hope for future pleasures . about an hour ago · Like Tony O'Clery Tony O'Clery 2 hours ago Suicide...is not a sin or anything wrong...whether it is self euthanasia or whatever reason....It is karmic to start with and and cannot be avoided or caused if it is not in ones karma... Essentially is just the astra/ego entity dispossessing the human body....where it should not be anyway....This results in so called death, except with a mukta where the universal uses the purified vijnanamayakosa . The Self uses the puified vijnanamayakosa to keep the body going as it burns its last karma out... a few seconds ago · Like Like · · Share Isa Kasanz and Max Kuhn like this. Tony O'Clery It is only the bullshit religions imposing their ideas on everybody that it gets to be thought of as something bad....It is never bad when the ego leaves as there is always another body material or subtle for the unrealised. 2 hours ago · Like · 3 Max Kuhn So Tony you reckon that its time for dudes like you and me to start over ♫♫♫ 2 hours ago · Like Tony O'Clery no just finish 2 hours ago · Like · 2 Tony O'Clery NIS.Q. Is it obligatory to live out one's natural life span? M. Natural -spontaneously -easy-yes. But disease and suffering are not natural. There is noble virtue in unshakable endurance of whatever comes but there is also dignity in the refusal of meaningless torture and humiliation.... about an hour ago · Like · 2 Tony O'Clery

Human futility

Human existence is an exercise in futility as human nature will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent.....It there is any rational for human existence it is only to rid all the attachments and vasanas and eventually the ego and that is it.... Worrying about the world helps you do this as it dilutes the ego for if a god made the world let him take care of it as Ramana said....T. Tony O'Clery Only one in ten million can understand the differance between love and attachment as one has to understand non duality to appreciate it. There is no god all is energy or prana, there is not separate intervening god...we ourselves are verily god. 2. Religions are a negative happening on the world over the last few thousand years only.....out of millions of years...As NIS Maharaj says they are trash and deceiving millions.. They also are always there in the causes of wars and violence....due to their nature to dominate...

One of my first realisations when i first started meditation was this; I asked myself allowed where is the soul of the ape if the ego descends into the body.....???? or foetus rather....And the answer was it is still there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When the ego dies at realisaton the body still lives on............... Tony O'Clery WE ARE POSSESSED PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! Tony O'Clery The ego will try to kill you to escape alive if you are close to realisation sometimes like MATHRU SRI SARADA. Tony O'Clery The ego is crafty hides and convinces people that really it is them thinking...not it. about an hour ago · Orli . Hey Tony ...so you are saying that we are actually playing with fire if we get to close to realization, because our own ego will try to kill us..... Tony O'Clery Yes in a way but if one has done the meditation and sadhana this should be controlled,,,read ; I am that' by david godman. Tony O'Clery It is not our own ego that is the problem..... 40 minutes ago · Like Tony O'Clery Saradamma's ego tried to kill her so it could escape and survive and to go into a different body..of any kind. Tony O'Clery Problem is the ego ends up thinking that the body is its body... Tony O'Clery When the ego is dead the purified vijnanamayakosa takes over the running of the body mind complex................... Most people do not realise that they are possessed by an astral entity and all have been since they were about 4 or 5 months in the womb.......So they go through live wanting to experience pleasure with this and that and create attachments and vasanas and tendencies...........all the ego working within...... THEY ARE MOST SURPRISED WHEN THEY PAY ATTENTION TO THE EGO...AND IT CHANGES THEIR ATTITUDE FOREVER... Rememeber in Muktas after realisation there is no ego but the body is still functioning. Cat--- Peniel puts the ego thing a different way. Ego gives up serving its selfish self and serves the Inner Being instead. Not that it dies. He also mentions someone with a big ego can be a better servant once that change is made. Tony O'Clery that is wrong.. end Tony O'Clery It is a possessor or an entity as cayce calls it..........peniel is way off on that one sorry. Tony O'Clery The ego will try to kill you to escape alive if you are close to realisation sometimes like MATHRU SRI SARADA..

Misogynism is aberrant and only for the crude, dumb and ignorant

Misogynism is aberrant and only for the crude, dumb and ignorant. The female is the natural order of everything the prana..the mother..........the life force.... The foetus in the womb starts out female and only turn male later.....Men who are misogynistic and control women do it out of fear and the misunderstanding that one can own another person. So men essentially fear women in many societies....that is like say because a bulldozer is more physically powerful than a computer it is superior...Ancient Societies even in the Celtic world were women were equal were much more organised and better ruled that we are to day by the male crooks and subservient lobbyists we call leaders and politicians............. Societies were the female is equal are much happier....as it is the natural order...T.. Like · · Share

Semantics is the problem and anthropomorphising...giving a word a personality or being.....God essentially means good

Semantics is the problem and anthropomorphising...giving a word a personality or being.....God essentially means good...but it has been misappropriated by religions to be a being with attributes an alpha ape in the sky a giant boon granter and baby sitter who speaks through religions.............However Divine Goodness can refer to the prana very easily if not corrupted by religion/ God=Divine Goodness=- Life-Force Prana...................MA..... SO IN RELIGION GOD IS A MISMOMER AS IT REFERS TO A SUPERSTITION . GOD - The English word God is identical with the Anglo-Saxon word for “good,” and therefore it is believed that the name God refers to the divine goodness. (See Oehler's Theol. of Old Test.; Strong's and Young's concordances.) (From New Unger's Bible Dictionary) (Originally published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois. Copyright (C) 1988.) Further information on the source of our word for ‘God’ is listed below: Word origin: God - Our word god goes back via Germanic to Indo-European, in which a corresponding ancestor form meant “invoked one.” The word’s only surviving non-Germanic relative is Sanskrit hu, invoke the gods, a form which appears in the Rig Veda, most ancient of Hindu scriptures: puru-hutas, “much invoked,” epithet of the rain-and-thunder god Indra. (From READER’S DIGEST, Family Word Finder, page 351) (Originally published by The Reader’s Digest Association, Inc., Pleasantville New York, Montreal; Copyright (C) 1975) Now if the sources noted above are accurate, then the word that we use for the Supreme Being, God, comes from a very pagan origin. Thus the word god is used generically by many different religions to refer to their deity or “invoked one.” om

Every thought and event in all our lives as a Jiva is in our minds

Every thought and event in all our lives as a Jiva is in our minds. Some appear as dreams , some manifest as karma. It is impossible to process the karma in one life...hence rebirth into many bodies, even in different dimensions. They are all there to be remembered if you learn how to access. Meditation sometimes triggers it more obviously. We can only get beyond it all. With Moksha. The imprint is even in the body...i had a stiff neck all my life until i had the regression about being killed by a shot at Shiloh on my neck....ever after the condition in my neck disappeared. These are what make you different from the next person and identifiying with these samskaras and tendencies thoughts cloud out the Self we are.... This is one of my stories except I was sent to the caribeann as a slave on a sugar plantation....I escaped and was taken to New Orleans by an Irish Captain Kelly.. I learned English and entered some kind of council or legislature.............I died in that life a the Battle of Shiloh leading a cavalry charge 1862.for the Confederacy...I remember black feathers in my hat...I left behind in Ireland a wife and a child on the dock but could never go back under pain of execution........So the fields of Athenry is my song from another time and another person... That was my first spontaneous regression when i started meditation.............. Fields Of Athenry - The Dubliners [15/16] With Pady Reilly RTE Festival Folk 1984 Like · · Share

It is fascinating how in Sanathana Dharma ideas,energies and the esoteric are personified

It is fascinating how in Sanathana Dharma ideas, energies and the esoteric are personified and objectified for those that do not have the capacity to understand the concepts and also to preserve the concepts in times of destruction and lack of technology and philosophy. This is Hinduism an umbrella of 350 belief systems and is NOT RELIGION PER SE but some modern day fundamentalists are trying to religionise it.........T One of the worst things that has happenes is the 'one god' idea of the Jews, Christians, and Musllims....as it is not the life force of siva/sakit but just one big composite superstition a huge Deva with attributes......It deflects away from the truth that we are all Prana................................ This is only a recent aberration in human historhy arising within the last couple of thousand years with Akhenaten ( Moses?) in Egypt....before that there was no relgion but various spiritualities.............. Unfortunately there is no way of preventing some Hindus from worshipping the idea as reality.idols .due to lack of development of vijananamayakosa........

The problem with believing bullshit superstition is that shit happens

The problem with believing bullshit superstition is that shit happens... All the religions protect each other as they don't want a brick in the wall to come out and cause a disaster like critical thinking and people waking up. All this man of belief and faith crap just means they have a lack of critical thinking even at the top level.....or pay lip service to superstition ......T It comes from the ancient pre religion tradition of tolerating other peoples superstitions within spirituality..which was pretty harmless at that level as the idols represented energies the modern relgions of a made up god, one god, is dangerous as its evidenced by the total violence that has been attracted over the last 2-3 thousands years since religion was invented....

I remember many years ago in 1985 asking myself the question....If Astral descents descended into Ape bodies where did the soul of the ape go to?

I remember many years ago in 1985 asking myself the question....If Astral descents descended into Ape bodies where did the soul of the ape go to? The answer came back rapidly and forcefullyl..............NOWHERE THE SOUL OF THE APE IS STILL IN THE HUMAN.....The astral entity is an ego construct that uses the bodies of the animal to introduce its dream ideas into this material plane..so making it neither one place or another....The astrals hovered over the apes and changed the species mind at the mind or astral level so forming and accelerating the evolution of the Bonobos type ape into a human simian and then the astral egos entered all these bodies and caused humanity....Luckily we still have the 'soul' of the ape otherwise we would have no empathy and compassion at all....This movement into the ape was to provide a template instead of going into all kinds of animals and dreaming up forms and becoming stuck... It is this knowledge of the astral that gives the belief in devas and angels etc........and even by logial extension the hierarchy of astrals ...topped by the fictitious 'god' or iswara-allah idea........total superstitious nonsense.... Causing many martyrs like Jesus and Mansour the Sufi who said we are all god....there is no separate universal intervening god...............there is no Jehovah, Iswara, Allah etc etc..........This is why the Sufis are not muslims as true sufis do not beleive in Allah they just got caught up in the expansion of islam....so rented a room in there.....................

INTRODUCTION TO JESUS THE NAZORITE. Nazorite means renunciant

INTRODUCTION TO JESUS THE NAZORITE. Nazorite means renunciant. It seems to me that the Essenic influence has been overlooked in favour of a Judaic standard, with regard to Jesus. Josephus does say that there were about 4,000 Essenes, and perhaps seven thousand Pharisees and a few thousand Sadducees. Josephus also claims to have lived with the Essenes so would have a personal understanding of what they believed. This is besides the general population of course. Pliny, Philo and many others wrote about the Essenes as well. The Catholic Encyclopedia now recognises a debt to the Essenes, since the Dead Sea Scrolls. If Jesus came from an Essenic background then he wouldn't have been either Pharisaic or Sadducean. He would have had a broader belief system with other influences from mystery groups in Egypt, India, Egypt, and of course Persia. The claims to be' Son of God', or only begotten, come from the later Christians. St Augustine is quoted as saying that which is now called Christian has always existed, since the beginning of time. In fact they also had an installation in Egypt at Heliopolis, probably harking back beyond Akhenaten, the Monotheist. They also had contact with other groups around the world and as far away as India. Which isn’t surprising for the Buddhists were in Alexandria. I don't understand why the Pharisees would have been persecuting the Essenes and Christians but it is not hard to see how the Herodian Sadducees would be, as they were persecuting all the groups. Was Paul working for the Temple Police? It is mentioned in the Scrolls that the Teacher of Righteousness was killed by the wicked Priest, this would fit in with the fact the Sadducees regarded the prophets as heretics. Although this was up to a hundred years before Jesus. However the Essenes believed their teacher would reincarnate again. Perhaps we should look more to Mt Karmel and Egypt for an idea of what Jeshua believed and came out of. I have never presumed he was a member of a regular Jewish sect. Galilee was even full of Greek settlements at this time as well...This is presuming that Jeshua really existed and I believe that he did. Why? Well apart from the billions that believe the same, there are writings from near the time of Jesus. Notably Josephus, Pliny, some other Roman Historians, the Gospels and the Talmud. Most of this evidence is believed to be in the Vatican Library today. MARY THE MAGDALENE---------TEACHER AND ‘BISHOP’. Mary was obviously very close to Jesus, and this was not only due to the fact that she was the sister of Martha and Lazarus, who Jesus knew very well. She was apparently a ‘Courtesan’ with the Roman occupation and ran into trouble with the Sadducees over this. She was the woman saved by Jesus from being stoned as an adulteress. Jesus also cured her of the seven deadly spirits or vices. She apparently was ‘born again’ and became a devoted follower, never leaving his side. From her appearance she seem to be of Greek and Hebrew ancestry and in all likelihood was originally a follower of the Essenes. As was Jesus and his family also. The Essenes were much more eclectic and very different from the Sadducees and Pharisees. They also had no discrimination against women. So women could rise and be Elders and Teachers in the Church just as much as men. So as it is obvious, from the naming of a Gospel after her, Mary was a leader or ‘Bishop’ in the Early Church. There isn’t much description of Jesus and the Renunciant Essenes but there is a description of his brother James, which is in the introduction, and he definately was a mystical type. Mary no doubt was of the same group as James and his brother Simon. There is much talk of Jesus and Mary having a sexual relationship, but this is unlikely considering their renunciant state. As far as kissing her on the mouth in front of the disciples, many family members do this and too much shouldn’t be read in to it. More than likely they are referring to the Essenic custom of kissing on the cheek. More important is the fact she was at the crucifixion and the first to see Jesus on his reappearance, from the tomb. When Saul of Tarsus took over the guiding of the Gentile Church there were some great changes. The Jerusalem and original Church was still very Essenic but St Paul wasn’t. This was because he wasn’t an Essene but a Pharisee, and this would account, perhaps if it is true, for the lack of woman Teachers or Rebbes. The course of the Church continued in this fashion until it was established by Constantine. The original Essenic Christians of Mary, James, Simon and the original apostles split into different groups. Generally becoming known as Nazorites, Gnostics and eventually some became Sufis and mystics. Considering this, it is the present Church that could be considered ‘heretical’ BY SOME, for not following the teachings of Jesus and having female Rebbes, Teachers or Priests.

Why are human simian so sexy?

Why is the sex vasana so powerful in human simians..... 1. Because like the Bonobos Chimp they are always in season and use it as an incentive in relationships like Bonobos. 2. The original astral descents chose a simian instead of all the mixtures to incarnate in and they got caught 'the fall of adam'...so the desire they have to enjoy the senses that trapped them herre set the standard and even enhanced the general sexuality of the original hominid.............. http://thewebsiteofeverything.com/animals/mammals/Primates/Hominidae/Pan/Pan-paniscus.html The Bonobo - The Most Sexual Active Apes on Earth - pictures and facts thewebsiteofeverything.com The bonobo (Pan paniscus), is one of the closest relatives to humans along with ...See More

Religion = Totalitarianism

Totalitarianism was not started by communism and fascism but by the religions all of them....the used the relligions and their organisations as blueprint.

Ajativada and wikipedia joshua jonathan and kim dent-brown

Wikipedia is bad for philosophy pages.....a couple of wiki official editors are buddhists and they keep editing out any vedanta and hindu stuff posted just to keep it Buddhist....very childish ...Actually ai think one Bharainy is a muslim likely.... Joshua Jonathan...and kim dent-brown... I think the problem is they cannot grasp the theory or vada and can only get as far as Saguna TRUE AJATIVADA IS NOT NIRVANA BUT PARANIRVANA..T. There is a difference.T. Slight attachment by subtle body..Nis......They have stopped editing so I can do nothing....but if you want you can keep an eye on it and 'undo' them from time to time hahahaha. Anybody but me can edit wikipedia...........hahah ajativada wikipedia

Meditation is beyond mind Nirvikalpa Samahdi all else is within mind

I constantly see people offering meditation...oprah, deepak, et al etc etc etc....NOBODY CAN TEACH MEDITATION EXCEPT A SIDDHA. And even they can only take you to the door unless they are a Mukta/Self. Meditation is beyond mind Nirvikalpa Samahdi all else is within mind and only preparation or concentration....ONE WOULD DO BETTER TO SLEEP.

The Ego mind is an illlusion within an illusion and there is no end to the computations,

The Ego mind is an illusion within an illusion and there is no end to the computations, permutations and imaginings in an infinite dream of universes upon universes...It is the imaging combined with desire that creates vasanas infinitely. Even a chimp or ape can be trained to watch televison and even work a remote to its favourite channel..............BUT IS DOES NOT NEED TO....That is the problem with the human simian projected imagination beyond need into only desires and vasanas............all just imaginings in a dream in other words an exercise in futility.................. There is no end to the insanity of the ego...this planet will eventually be depopulated and human entities will start again. The same entities well take different forms in other similar planets in the universes.. There are infinite egg shaped universes to live in And that doesn't include the subtle dimensions of the endless infinite dream...........ONE CAN ONLY STOP.

Humans spend a lot of time trying to improve their lot where they live

Humans spend a lot of time trying to improve their lot where they live.....like going to a pigsty and trying to tidy it up without realising we are not pigs and should not be living in the sty at all.....Like the story of Indra the king of the gods who entered a pig and thought he was a pig and had a pig family and everything.. The Devas came and asked why he was living as a pit and he said he liked it and had a wife and childrene pigs. So they tore open the pig and realiesd Indra the king of the gods.... Tony O'Clery It is our ego attachment that makes us want to change the world instead of leaving

Non duality the big bang and Norma

Norma I don't usually try and teach...I'm more in the not this and not that and quotes.from realised souls..I know you have been down the Guru type road...and as you are a relative I will just say this... Think about the big bang when all was one...and then all this happened....so it all came out of one thing...and is one thing. Imagine if you had... See More 5000MMX or more microscope glasses on, when you looked around you would see no people, you would see nothing but an energy soup---a oneness....and below that a unified field of energy and below that----nothing to see....So the there cannot be separate souls in the universe it can only be one...We separate everything into dualism....kind of like whirlpools in the ocean thinking that they are separate from the ocean itself....or the waves thinking they are separate..What causes this is the ego...using the defence reaction response mechanism and building it up into a phantom separate being -----us....So we have to think about all being one....and more important we have to develop the feeling of all being one...as all the intellectualising is just words and they are just energy structures also.....Also we have to do some conscious practise or sadhana so we can cleanse our inner subconscious and prevent us from realising oneneess with the soul of the universe...I would suggest meditation perhaps with some ritual and yoga...even hatha yoga or exercises if it is done by a Hindu trained person...otherwise it may as well be dancing.....I hope this helps....It takes a fair bit of time......I can point you at some books...Love Tony.

James the brother of Jesus was a vegetarian

James the brother of Jesus was a vegetarian wore only linen clothing and bathed daily in cold water at dawn, and was a life long Nazerite....or renunciant....So this is Jesus as well.....in fact the rebellion against Rome was caused in part by the death of James .. Jesus, Mary and Joseph came out of the Essenes.............. The claims that the holy pope is the descendent of Jesus in power is absolutely ridiculous he is nearer the real founder emperor constantine............Listening to all these priests and pope quoting Jesus etc is just politics........ Christianity is not Christian or Essenic at all............There are some left over links though as the Carmelite order still have the holy place as Mt Carmel...as that was the temple Jesus went to...The temple in Jerusalem was considered unclean by the Essenes due to money changing and animal sacrifice.......

Just as people pet animals

Just as humans have pet animals and even pet humans called children. The Astrals Descents that many are also have pet human bodies, which they turn into ken and barbie dolls and use as instruments of pleasure.......................

pope is a politician

New Pope is a politician he should run for another office...A trillion dolllar business is going to go poor....give me a break....He chooses the name St Francis but St Francis was at least a vegetarian, and an ascetic or anchorite......hardly the pope in his palace with meat and wine for dinner...etc etc.......All bullshit....and politics only ---still a Jesuit coup....all about greed and power only. All the dopes think god appointed the Pope.... When in fact the early church under the magdalene and james was superseded by Paul and Peter and they by Emperor Constantine about 300 ce or so..........Jesus would have nothing to do with this huge capitalist edifice...................he had no home....

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This is the answer to the question of why humans are so different from the apes

NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AJATIVADA...But if you consider the illusion .....everything is prakriti, prana and karma...Kaos is a good way of describing it...this results in a balance between particles/waves due to attraction and repulsion...etc..So a natural evolution occurs up to the animal world, including early hominids, before the descent of the Astrals into bodies and so confusing and creating a unnatural evoluton and Ego...It is the mind of the astral that has caused the adharmic distortion, greed, politics, religions, etc etc.............We have to reverse the process and go beyond the Astral and attain Moksha.............. This is the answer to the question of why humans are so different from the apes..The 2% genetic doesn't account to the tendencies and mind of the 'Astrals'...............................In the Hindu and Bible texts they talk of descents especially in the Book of Enoch, which was the most popular early christian book....In the Puranas it is mentioned of two descents of spiritually inclined astrals the Red and Blue Kumaras who tried to correct the situation.. I think what they achieved is souls that know about and work for Moksha....

Faith and alpha ape in the sky

Religion/Belief is essentially a lack of critical thinking.and superstition. The god concept is essentially an alpha ape in the sky..... Many Muktas talk about god when they are talking to people who are superstitious and no not have the capacity to understand the truth....ie they talk at different levels... However Ramana said the truth is ajativada....and Niz said if he went around talking to ordinary people the way Jesus did they would crucify him also.

Virtues are mere tokens

"The main thing is earnestness. Be honest with yourself and no- thing will betray you. Virtues and powers are mere tokens for children to play with. They are useful in the world, but do not take you out of it. To go beyond, you need alert immobility, quiet attention." Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

NIZ when you sit in deep meditation

When you sit in deep meditation, your sense of being is totally infused with the knowledge ‘I am’ only. In such a state it will be revealed to you intuitively as to how and why your sense of ‘I amness’ emerged. Consciousness, beingness, sense of being, ‘I amness’, all are the same in you, prior to emanation of any words..NIZ Maharaj..

Niz...nisarga means natural no birth or death

Maharaj : Nisarga means natural, natural,no birth, no death , just there. In this universe , species take birth and return back to nature , they go no where. Sattva , Rajas and Tamas 9 the three gunas ) are the limbs of nature , the five elements and three gunas are inherent in nature. This body is born in nature and nature only , nothing else and is without identity. The world is created out of dirt, natural physical emissions turn into beautiful human forms. I am going to sign - NISARGADATTA - nature itself. Any stance has limitations but i am beyond that, nature only, vast nature , no shape or form and no limitations. If you want to be Nisargadatta , do only one thing, be in that state of harmony which is consciousness, being in natural harmony , all the puzzles will be solved. After one has accepted this state ( the knowledge of one's just Being) , many kinds of things can happen. Some will have long life ; others will have a glimpse of what is generally known as heaven , that state ( Beingness) will itself create heaven. Beingness is the cause and lord of all manifestations - Vishnu , Ishwara. when this foof-body disappears , this Beingness also will disappear. In nature - Nisargadatta - there are millions of years and lives, what has happened to them ? What are they doing ? Reincarnation and the rest are all just concepts to while away time. There are millions of fish, can you have kundalini for them ?Because of identification we have created trouble. Fish have no trouble , since they have no identity ; concepts help only to pass time. Everybody wants things when alive , we do this and we do that , after death , when breath has gone , what is of oneself that reamins ? Ntaure konws no end, no beginning , all concepts are only moments in consciousness ; one considers oneself as an individual and suffers.

All the scriptures are of no use NIZ

All the scriptures of Hindu as well as other religions are available to you.Go and read them they are of no use . But i say you can go back to the point where from where you really come and see if you have really come. That will require meditation and you will have to constantly return to that point...Nisargadatta Maharaj.

The most important function of a human is free will and self determination

The most important function of a human is free will and self determination, even if it is an action in illusion. The mind is above karma so on that plane the future fruits are created....Manipulation and prevention of free will and self determination attract very bad karma...........................

Self euthanasia

Q. Is it obligatory to live out one's natural life span? M. Natural -spontaneously -easy-yes. But disease and suffering are not natural. There is noble virtue in unshakable endurance of whatever comes but there is also dignity in the refusal of meaningless torture and humiliation.... 58 minutes ago ·

....There is no separate personal god.

To clear up a question or two....There is no separate personal god....god is life force the entire universe is a manifestation of...Because of our egos we look outward instead of inwards so we are not aware consciously of our own self or Self....when we turn inwards we become everything that is manifested as the TRUTH. So there is no separate intervening god to pray to or worship....the manifest universe is only ever PRANA AND KARMA AND THAT IS IT...THERE IS NO GOD, THAT IS SUPERSTITION AND MANIPULATION. There are Devas and other beings demi gods etc but they are only as real as we are but in different dimensions. Many people cannot face this and then the life force and karma gets called god....but it doesn'nt change the fact there is no god. S... Very well said. I totally agree with this. You have put the whole truth in a nutshell . Thank you! about an hour ago via mobile · Like

Because we use the frontal lobes to turn every thought into words we spend more time processing rather than accepting..T..

Because we use the frontal lobes to turn every thought into words we spend more time processing rather than accepting..T.. We look but cannot help describing in words what we are looking....we think on words the lowest form of speech.

Niz Maharaj by david godman.org

I love Niz's rambunctiousness and shouting it suits my loud personality hahahahaha David: There may have been others but the only other one I know about, since I witnessed it first-hand, was a Canadian – at least I think he was Canadian – called Rudi. I had listened to some tapes before I first went to Maharaj and this man Rudi featured prominently on them. I have to say that he sounded utterly obnoxious. He was pushy, argumentative and aggressive; apparently Maharaj threw him out on several occasions. I had never met Rudi; I only knew him from the tapes I had heard. Then one day Maharaj announced, 'We have a jnani coming to visit us this morning. His name is Rudi.' I laughed because I assumed that Maharaj was making fun of his pretensions to enlightenment. Maharaj could be quite scathing about people who claimed to be enlightened, but who weren't. Wolter Keers, a Dutch advaita teacher, was someone who fell into that category. Every so often he would come to Bombay to see Maharaj, and on every visit Maharaj would tell him off for claiming to be enlightened when he wasn't. On one visit he started lecturing Wolter before he had even properly entered the room. There was a wooden stairway that led directly into the room where Maharaj taught. As Wolter's head appeared above the top step, Maharaj suspended his other business and started laying into him. 'You are not enlightened! How dare you teach in the West, claiming that you are enlightened?' On one of my other visits Wolter was due to arrive and Maharaj kept asking when he was going to appear. 'Where is he? I want to shout at him again. When is he going to arrive?' On that particular visit I had to leave before Wolter came so I don't know what form the lecture took, but I suspect that it was a typically hot one. Anyway, let's get back to Rudi. When Maharaj announced that a 'jnani' was due, I assumed that Rudi was going to get the Wolter treatment. However, much to my amazement, Maharaj treated him as the genuine article when he finally showed up. After spending a good portion of the morning wondering when Rudi was going to appear, Maharaj then asked him why he had bothered to come at all. 'To pay my respects to you and to thank you for what you have done for me. I am leaving for Canada and I came to say goodbye.' Maharaj didn't accept this explanation: 'If you have come to this room, you must have some doubt left in you. If you were doubt-free, you wouldn't bother to come at all. I never visit any other teachers or Gurus because I no longer have any doubts about who I am. I don't need to go anywhere. Many people come to me and say, "You must visit this or that teacher. They are wonderful," but I never go because there is nothing I need from anyone. You must want something you haven't got or have a doubt to come here. Why have you come?' Rudi repeated his original story and then kept quiet. I was looking at him and he seemed to me to be a man who was in some inner state of ecstasy or bliss that was so compelling, he found it hard even to speak. I still wasn't sure whether Maharaj was accepting his credentials, but then the woman he had arrived with asked Maharaj a question. Maharaj replied, 'Ask your friend later. He is a jnani. He will give you correct answers. Keep quiet this morning. I want to talk to him.' It was at this point that I realised that Maharaj really did accept that this man had realised the Self. Rudi then asked Maharaj for advice on what he should do when he returned to Canada. I thought that it was a perfectly appropriate question for a disciple to ask a Guru on such an occasion, but Maharaj seemed to take great exception to it. 'How can you ask a question like that if you are in the state of the Self? Don't you know that you don't have any choice about what you do or don't do?' Rudi kept quiet. I got the feeling that Maharaj was trying to provoke him into a quarrel or an argument, and that Rudi was refusing to take the bait. At some point Maharaj asked him, 'Have you witnessed your own death?' and Rudi replied 'No'. Maharaj then launched into a mini-lecture on how it was necessary to witness one's own death in order for there to be full realisation of the Self. He said that it had happened to him after he thought that he had fully realised the Self, and it wasn't until after this death experience that he understood that this process was necessary for final liberation. I hope somebody recorded this dialogue on tape because I am depending on a twenty-five-year-old memory for this. It seems to be a crucial part of Maharaj's experience and teachings but I never heard him mention it on any other occasion. I have also not come across it in any of his books. Maharaj continued to pester Rudi about the necessity of witnessing death, but Rudi kept quiet and just smiled beatifically. He refused to defend himself, and he refused to be provoked. Anyway, I don't think he was in any condition to start and sustain an argument. Whatever state he was in seemed to be compelling all his attention. I got the feeling that he found articulating even brief replies hard work. Finally, Rudi addressed the question and said, 'Why are you getting so excited about something that doesn't exist?' I assumed he meant that death was unreal, and as such, was not worth quarrelling about. Maharaj laughed, accepted the answer and gave up trying to harass him. 'Have you ever had a teacher like me?' demanded Maharaj, with a grin. 'No,' replied Rudi, 'and have you ever had a disciple like me?' They both laughed and the dialogue came to an end. I have no idea what happened to Rudi. He left and I never heard anything more about him. As they say at the end of fairy stories, he probably lived happily ever after. davidgodman.org of course

ajativada is not anutpada, which is Saguna

I was the first to enter ajativada on wikipedia in 2005 but until recently when it was interloped or edited by buddhists and perhaps some muslims it was strictly Vedantic....now the Buddhistic stuff about Gaudapad is erroneous as it doesn't mention that he mentions ajativada in the pre buddhist upanishads and rig veda....My quotes and references to the Rig Veda and Upanishads were deleted to make it appear that Gaudapad got the idea from the Buddhist which is untrue.............Tony.TRUE AJATIVADA IS NOT NIRVANA BUT PARANIRVANA..T. There is a difference.T. Slight attachment by subtle body..Nis. When one gives up the ego and the Self destroys it, if one is a Mukta. The SElf uses the vijanamayakosa of the Mukta as the mind. The mukta is now one with the life force...but a body still exists to teach...However like Sri Lakshmana Swamy the next step is PARANIRVANA,,,,Where the mind and body are dropped and all connection with the Saguna Self and one becomes NirGuna.....t

Buddha-This unborn, unoriginated, uncreated, unformed,

There is, O monks, an unborn, unoriginated, uncreated, unformed. Were there not, O monks, this unborn, unoriginated, uncreated, unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, created, formed. [12] **************************************************************************************************************************************************************8 "Since, O monks, there is an unborn, unoriginated, uncreated, and unformed, therefore is there an escape from the born, originated, created, formed." [13] *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** This is the nearest buddhism can get to ajativada but it still indicates '\something uncreated' which is more similar to the concept of Saguna not Nirguna as nirguna can only be described by what it is not...*************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Tony O'Clery reference---http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel_buddha/ *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** The Gospel of Buddha reluctant-messenger.com The Gospel of the Buddha: Compiled from ancient records by Paul Carus, 1894 This is where the buddhists who have taken it on themselves to debate my piece fall down as they cannot grasp ajativada.

Ajativada

Ajativada. Vedantic, not Later Buddhistic. It is not the same thing as the Buddhist Anutpada,, which the Buddhist for some reason present as ajativada..(.However Anutpada, or secondary, could equate with the Buddha's unborn...or Saguna Brahaman, in Vedanta. Ajativada means a changeless appearance when in fact it means 'NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AT ALL INCLUDING THE APPEARANCE'. "David Godman, - Nothing ever happened"...Advadhuta Foundation Colorado.1998.1/May.ISBN 0963802259. AN APPEARANCE WOULD NEED A CAUSE/MIND AND THERE IS NO DIRECT CAUSE, ...I WAS THE FIRST TO POST THIS SUBJECT on wikipedia IN 2005. The whole concept of creation is immaginary.It all arose with vrittis, modifications, occurring in the universal mind or akasa which is where the feeling IAm or ego arose.Beyond Akasha is Vital Force or Energy or Saguna Brahman,which provides the Pranas for creation but is not them. Beyond all this is Nirguna Brahman, which negates everything including the so called concept of appearance..As mentioned in David Godman's book...Nothing ever happened. ********************************************************************************\ ***************** In the Vedic Nasadiya Sukta. 10:129. The first linr reflects Ajativada , "Then even nothingness was not ,nor existence". This was multi thousand years before Buddhism,and the night sky in the Rig Veda is 8000 Bce. This sUkta reflects 'ajAtavAda'. This is further elaborated by the word 'visRShTiH' which raises a doubt upon 'creation'. This also is again in perfect tuning with Sri Raman's assertion; 'Where-from this 'visRShTi' came into being? And once again, 'visRShTi' itself can be interpreted according to Vedik Grammar as 'chaos' or 'appearances'. *********************************************************************************************** This indicates Gaudapada had no need to learn from the Buddhists more likely the other way around.He also referred to Ajativada in the Upanishads never mind the Rig. The other problem the Buddhists have is their original scriptures were just that, written down. As opposed to the Vedantic which were oral going back literally thousands of years and it is a well known fact psychologically that memorised texts are less likely to editing and interlopation; So are more accurate. The Sanskrit term Ajativada is one of several alternately-held creation theories in Advaita Vedanta, meaning "non-creation" (of the world). It is not the same thing as the Buddhist Anutpada, which the Buddhist for some reason spuriously present as ajativada... ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Taken together "ajātivāda" means "the Doctrine of no-origination"[1] or non-creation.]Anutpada does not mean the same thing as Ajativada as the Gautama Buddha himself talks about a 'something' whereas in Ajativada there is only the negative or NirGuna.This is a common error of understanding in some advaitins and especially Buddhists. Taken together "anutpāda" means "having no origin", "not coming into existence", "not taking effect", "non-production".[web 2] This infers a 'something' whereas Ajativad has only the negative -nothing. Contemporary Advaitins translate the concept of Ajativada also with the phrase "nothing ever happened", or "not even the appearance of creation exists".[citation needed] That is to say, not even the unreality of the world "exists". This is pointed at with the question "Where does the world go in deep sleep, turiya, nirvikalpa samadhi and nirvikalpa sahaja samadhi/meditation?" ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** In Advaita, there are three creation theories:[web 3] Srishti-drishti-vada: what is created is being perceived. The universe is held to be created by the Brahman in his capacity as Ishwara. Srishti (creation) is therefore prior to Drishti (perception). A thing has to exist for it to be perceived.[web 3] Drishti-srishti-vada: perception is simultaneous with creation Ajativada: creation is not an absolute real event. It actually never "happened". Ajativada implies that searching for a source of the origin of the world in a Creator is futile. ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* As stated in Gaudapada’s Karika Chapter II Verse 48:[web 4] No jiva ever comes into existence. There exists no cause that can produce it. The supreme truth is that nothing ever is born.[web 5] ***********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************8 Shankara Adi Shankara wrote: On account of constant absorption in Brahman, freed from the sense of reality of external objects, only seemingly enjoying them when offered by others, like a sleepy baby, perceiving the world as that seen in a dream and recognising it only now and then, such a man is indeed rare. He is the enjoyer of the fruits of untold merit and is truly held blessed and revered on earth.[9] [edit]Ramana Maharshi The twentieth-century Sage Ramana Maharshi was an articulate adherent to the concept of Ajativada. On Sri Ramana's view, Ajativada or non-creation is a part of the highest form of consciousness that can be attained. Sri Ramana described three consecutive steps, each of which corresponds to a different understanding of reality: Somebody or some god created the world The world arises simultaneously with our perception of it Ajativada, the view that the world never happened at all.[10] *****************************************************************************************************************************8 Sadhu Om, a chronicler and devotee of Ramana wrote, At times Sri Ramana Maharshi used to reveal some information which was not given by the scriptures and Puranas such as: how, in the Bhagavad Gita, Sri Krishna began His teachings with the doctrines of Ajata and Advaita, but then condescendingly came down to various stages of Dvaita, and how He carefully used words which, though suited to Arjuna's limited grasping power, also gives room for well-ripened aspirants to discover, even now, the motive behind those words.***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************8 Nisargadatta Maharaj Nisargadatta Maharaj's main teaching was that all was consciousness, and that consciousness was awareness interfaced with manifestation and using energy or prana.[11]. He distinguished three levels of discenrment: Individuals begin with first believing they are making things happen; Then they realise that things are in fact happening to them; Then finally they realise that nothing is happening at all.[12]******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************88 "I am trying to tell you ---Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying in the name of religion , in the name of spirituality. Understand only one thing -That godly principle is there..that 'I amness', or consciousness-that is godliest of principles. It is there as long as the vital breath or life force is there." Nisargadatta .Maharaj.'I am that'. "Be still, and know that 'I am', (is) God" (Psalm 46:10), Before Abraham was 'I Am'-----Jesus..............Bible and New Testament. ************************************************************************************************************************************* The Buddhist Meditation of vipassana, or observing the rise and fall of created or compounded things and the development of insight, is an indication of the unreality of the so-called 'creation'.[citation needed] Similar teachings can be found withf the Sufis, like Din Attar, Ibn Arabi, Jalala'din Rumi, Al Hussein Ibn Al-Mansour, Hadrat Muinudin Chisti, Al-Hallaj[citation needed], other Indian saints such as Kabir, Guru Nanak, and Christian mystics such as St John of the Cross, St Theresa de Avila and many more, most of whom were really considered out of the main steam, by their peers. ********************************************************************************************************************************************8 Advaita discerns levels of truth. It is at the level of the highest truth (paramārtha) that there is no origination.[4] [edit]Ontological levels of Reality Advaita took over from the Madhyamika the idea of levels of reality.[13] Usually two levels are being mentioned[14], but Shankara uses sublation as the criterion to postulate an ontological hierarchy of three levels:[15][web 6] Pāramārthika (paramartha, absolute), the absolute level, "which is absolutely real and into which both other reality levels can be resolved".[web 6] This experience can't be sublated by any other experience.[15] Vyāvahārika (vyavahara), or samvriti-saya[14] (empirical or pragmatical), "our world of experience, the phenomenal world that we handle every day when we are awake".[web 6] It is the level in which both jiva (living creatures or individual souls) and Iswara are true; here, the material world is also true. Prāthibhāsika (pratibhasika, apparent reality, unreality), "reality based on imagination alone".[web 6] It is the level in which appearances are actually false, like the illusion of a snake over a rope, or a dream. ************************************************************************************************************************************* ]Levels of Vedanta Ajativada apllies at the highest level of truth, which is also called "Para-Advaita"[citation needed][note 3], comprising a fourth level of Vedanta: Dvaita - duality Visishtadvaita - partial duality Advaita - nonduality Para-Advaita - respectively and finally above non-duality.[note 4] [edit]Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman Main articles: Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman Four levels of awareness or truth can be discerned:[citation needed] Small Ego/Ahamkara - 'I am' Big 'I Am' consciousness of Siva/Sakti-Prana Pure Awareness of SaGuna Brahman Ultimate Truth as NirGuna Brahman. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to Y.K. Menon, for Sankara the goal of Advaita Vedanta is knowledge of the non-duality of Atman and Brahman, thereby realising Sat-Cit-Ananda, or Being, Consciousness, Bliss.[citation needed] According to Ramana Maharshi these are actually qualities, and therefore attributes and still within illusion. In other words not Nirguna Brahman[note 5], but still Saguna Brahman.[citation needed][note 6] According to another interpretation, the realisation of Saguna Brahman and Nirguna is simultaneous, unless the person is a Bhakta/Devotee of some 'God Figure' and a believer in form.[citation needed] On the Pralaya or Dissolution of the Universe, it is Saguna Brahman, or Awareness, that 're-manifests' the universe, and not Nirguna Brahman. This is due to the seeds of manifestation being still present in subtle form or in potentiality, while the material is dissolved in Maha-Pralaya or the Great Dissolution.[citation needed]Pralaya Absolutely seen, Saguna Brahman is ultimately an illusion that never ever happened, Nirguna Brahman being or the only Truth. This can be compared in Vedantic Meditation to Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi (temporary realisation) and Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi (permanent Moksha). A person doing Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi is at the temporary stage.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glossary of Sanskrit Terms used in this article----- Atman = the individual being, identical with Brahman ---------------------- Jiva = Individual being ------------------------------- Advaita = Non-dual ------------------------------ Dvaita = dual -------------------------------- Visishtadvaita = Non-dual with distinction ---------------------------------------- Ajativada = non-creation, ---------------------------------- Bhakta = Devotee, --------------------------- Brahman = Pure Consciousness. -------------------- Saguna Brahman = Brahman along with Maya, as Creator of the Universe ----------------- Mukta = a free/realised person.------------------ ------------------- Nirguna Brahman = Pure Consciousness. Nir=Nil and Guna=modes; so "beyond all mind". ----------------------- Nirvikalpa Samadhi = where subject-object division is not there; no mind, no modification. --------------------- Sat-Cit-Ananda = Existence-Consciousness-Limitlessness, ---------------------- Pralaya = Dissolution or resolving of the Universe, ----------------------- Maha-Pralaya = Dissolution of the material and subtle universe, --------------- Para = Above/beyond, ---------------------------- Para-advaita = beyond non duality itself ----------------------- Vedanta = The concluding portions of the Vedas, the teachings of the Upanishads, ------------------------------ Turiya = Fourth State --------------------------------- Sahaja = natural meditation, permanent state of NirVikalpa Samadhi ---------------------------------- Sakshin = Witness, ------------------------------- Siva/Sakti = Consciousness/Universal Energy, --------------------------- Jiva = The individual, ----------------------------- Mukti = Freedom, liberation --------------------------------------- Manas = Mind, one of the four faculties of the antahkarana(the other three being buddhi, cittam and ahamkara) ------------------------------------ Vasanas = past impressions of the mind. ------------------------------ ^ The term is also used in the Lankavatara Sutra.[5] According to D.T Suzuki, "anutpada" is not the oppiste of "utpada", but transcends opposites. It is the seeing into the true nature of existence[6], the seeing that "all objects are without self-substance".[7] ^ C.q. "transitory" ^ The term is used in Kashmir Shaivism, meaning "the supreme and absolute non-dualism".[web 7] ^ Gaudapada too states that, from the absolute standpoint, not even "non-dual" exists. Para-Advaita[8] ^ "The Absolute without qualities", the ultimate transcendental, indescribable 'Beyond' ^ "The Absolute with qualities", being or 'Consciousness' associated with 'manifestation'************************************************************************************************************************************************* ]Published references ^ The Crest-Jewel of Discrimination', Mohini M. Chaterjee, The Theosophical Publishing House, Adyar, 1932. Verse 426 ^ David Godman (1986), Be as you are. The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi. London and New York, Arakana ^ 'I am that' ^ 'I am That', Acorn Press. N.C. 1999 ^ Renard 2010, p. 130. ^ a b Renard 2010, p. 131. ^ ^ Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit, Utpāda ^ Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit, Anutpāda ^ a b Ajativada – the missing link ^ Mandukya Upanishad with Gaudapada's Karika ^ a b c d advaita-vision.org, Discrimination ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* Sources Bhattacharya, Vidhushekhara (1943), Gauḍapādakārikā, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass Chatterji, Mohini M. (1973), Viveka-Cudamani, Adyar: Chennai Dikshit, Sudhaker S. (1999), I Am That. Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, Durham, N.C.: Acorn Press Godman, David Godman (1986), Be As You Are: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, London: Arakana, pp. 181–3, 184 Hart, William (1987), Vipassana Meditation as taught by S.N. Goenka, San Francisco: Harper and Row Puligandla, Ramakrishna (1997), Fundamentals of Indian Philosophy, New Delhi: D.K. Printworld (P) Ltd. ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Creation theories in Advaita Vedanta Swami Atmananda website Sri Ramana Maharshi website Gaudapada on Mandukya Upanishad Nisargadatta Maharaj website Sanskrit words and phrases