AJATA VADA,----VEDANTIC AJATIVADA....

Ajativada Ajativada. Vedantic, not Later Buddhistic which is erroneous mostly. It is not the same thing as the Buddhist Anutpada,(joshua jonathan and kim dent-brown, ogress, novalian, FAVONIAN AND THE COMPUTER CLUEBOT-NG), which the Buddhist for some reason spuriously present as ajativada..(.However Anutpada, or secondary, could equate with the Buddha's unborn...or Saguna Brahaman, in Vedanta.Joshua Jonathan does not understand Advaita Vedanta he is still insisting that Ajativada means a changeless appearance when in fact it means 'NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AT ALL INCLUDING THE APPEARANCE'. THIS KIND OF IGNORANCE ALLOWED ON WIKIPEDIA EDITORS IS ASTOUNDING....AND DEGRADES THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AS A SOURCE..... My entries on Nir Guna, Hinduism and Ajativada have been edited and me suspended by a computer ClueBot NG.??????T AI takes over and jimmy wales who i refused to speak to is a son of belial pushing AI. .. Stephen Hawking said a great danger to humanity is Artificial Intelligence and now on WIKIPEDIA THEY ARE EDITING OUT MY VEDANTIC AND RIG VEDA REFERENCES WITH A COMPUTER ---CLUEBOT-NG.... SO SHOWING THE IRRELEVANCE OF WIKI PEDIA AND ITS UNEDUCATED UNENLIGHTENED EDITORS..T ********************************************************************************\ ********************************************************************************\ ***************** In the Vedic Nasadiya Sukta. 10:129. The first linr reflects Ajativada , "Then even nothingness was not ,nor existence". This was multi thousand years before Buddhism,and the night sky in the Rig Veda is 8000 Bce. This sUkta reflects 'ajAtavAda'. This is further elaborated by the word 'visRShTiH' which raises a doubt upon 'creation'. This also is again in perfect tuning with Sri Raman's assertion; 'Where-from this 'visRShTi' came into being? And once again, 'visRShTi' itself can be interpreted according to Vedik Grammar as 'chaos' or 'appearances'. *********************************************************************************************** This indicates Gaudapada had no need to learn from the Buddhists more likely the other way around.He also referred to Ajativada in the Upanishads never mind the Rig. The other problem the Buddhists have is their original scriptures were just that, written down. As opposed to the Vedantic which were oral going back literally thousands of years and it is a well known fact psychologically that memorised texts are less likely to editing and interlopation; So are more accurate. The Sanskrit term Ajativada is one of several alternately-held creation theories in Advaita Vedanta, meaning "non-creation" (of the world). It is not the same thing as the Buddhist Anutpada, which the Buddhist for some reason spuriously present as ajativada... ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Taken together "ajātivāda" means "the Doctrine of no-origination"[1] or non-creation.]Anutpada does not mean the same thing as Ajativada as the Gautama Buddha himself talks about a 'something' whereas in Ajativada there is only the negative or NirGuna.This is a common error of understanding in some advaitins and especially Buddhists. Taken together "anutpāda" means "having no origin", "not coming into existence", "not taking effect", "non-production".[web 2] This infers a 'something' whereas Ajativad has only the negative -nothing. Contemporary Advaitins translate the concept of Ajativada also with the phrase "nothing ever happened", or "not even the appearance of creation exists".[citation needed] That is to say, not even the unreality of the world "exists". This is pointed at with the question "Where does the world go in deep sleep, turiya, nirvikalpa samadhi and nirvikalpa sahaja samadhi/meditation?" ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** In Advaita, there are three creation theories:[web 3] Srishti-drishti-vada: what is created is being perceived. The universe is held to be created by the Brahman in his capacity as Ishwara. Srishti (creation) is therefore prior to Drishti (perception). A thing has to exist for it to be perceived.[web 3] Drishti-srishti-vada: perception is simultaneous with creation Ajativada: creation is not an absolute real event. It actually never "happened". Ajativada implies that searching for a source of the origin of the world in a Creator is futile. ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* As stated in Gaudapada’s Karika Chapter II Verse 48:[web 4] No jiva ever comes into existence. There exists no cause that can produce it. The supreme truth is that nothing ever is born.[web 5] ***********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************8 Shankara Adi Shankara wrote: On account of constant absorption in Brahman, freed from the sense of reality of external objects, only seemingly enjoying them when offered by others, like a sleepy baby, perceiving the world as that seen in a dream and recognising it only now and then, such a man is indeed rare. He is the enjoyer of the fruits of untold merit and is truly held blessed and revered on earth.[9] [edit]Ramana Maharshi The twentieth-century Sage Ramana Maharshi was an articulate adherent to the concept of Ajativada. On Sri Ramana's view, Ajativada or non-creation is a part of the highest form of consciousness that can be attained. Sri Ramana described three consecutive steps, each of which corresponds to a different understanding of reality: Somebody or some god created the world The world arises simultaneously with our perception of it Ajativada, the view that the world never happened at all.[10] *****************************************************************************************************************************8 Sadhu Om, a chronicler and devotee of Ramana wrote, At times Sri Ramana Maharshi used to reveal some information which was not given by the scriptures and Puranas such as: how, in the Bhagavad Gita, Sri Krishna began His teachings with the doctrines of Ajata and Advaita, but then condescendingly came down to various stages of Dvaita, and how He carefully used words which, though suited to Arjuna's limited grasping power, also gives room for well-ripened aspirants to discover, even now, the motive behind those words.***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************8 Nisargadatta Maharaj Nisargadatta Maharaj's main teaching was that all was consciousness, and that consciousness was awareness interfaced with manifestation and using energy or prana.[11]. He distinguished three levels of discenrment: Individuals begin with first believing they are making things happen; Then they realise that things are in fact happening to them; Then finally they realise that nothing is happening at all.[12]******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************88 "I am trying to tell you ---Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying in the name of religion , in the name of spirituality. Understand only one thing -That godly principle is there..that 'I amness', or consciousness-that is godliest of principles. It is there as long as the vital breath or life force is there." Nisargadatta .Maharaj.'I am that'. "Be still, and know that 'I am', (is) God" (Psalm 46:10), Before Abraham was 'I Am'-----Jesus..............Bible and New Testament. ************************************************************************************************************************************* The Buddhist Meditation of vipassana, or observing the rise and fall of created or compounded things and the development of insight, is an indication of the unreality of the so-called 'creation'.[citation needed] Similar teachings can be found withf the Sufis, like Din Attar, Ibn Arabi, Jalala'din Rumi, Al Hussein Ibn Al-Mansour, Hadrat Muinudin Chisti, Al-Hallaj[citation needed], other Indian saints such as Kabir, Guru Nanak, and Christian mystics such as St John of the Cross, St Theresa de Avila and many more, most of whom were really considered out of the main steam, by their peers. ********************************************************************************************************************************************8 Advaita discerns levels of truth. It is at the level of the highest truth (paramārtha) that there is no origination.[4] [edit]Ontological levels of Reality Advaita took over from the Madhyamika the idea of levels of reality.[13] Usually two levels are being mentioned[14], but Shankara uses sublation as the criterion to postulate an ontological hierarchy of three levels:[15][web 6] Pāramārthika (paramartha, absolute), the absolute level, "which is absolutely real and into which both other reality levels can be resolved".[web 6] This experience can't be sublated by any other experience.[15] Vyāvahārika (vyavahara), or samvriti-saya[14] (empirical or pragmatical), "our world of experience, the phenomenal world that we handle every day when we are awake".[web 6] It is the level in which both jiva (living creatures or individual souls) and Iswara are true; here, the material world is also true. Prāthibhāsika (pratibhasika, apparent reality, unreality), "reality based on imagination alone".[web 6] It is the level in which appearances are actually false, like the illusion of a snake over a rope, or a dream. ************************************************************************************************************************************* ]Levels of Vedanta Ajativada apllies at the highest level of truth, which is also called "Para-Advaita"[citation needed][note 3], comprising a fourth level of Vedanta: Dvaita - duality Visishtadvaita - partial duality Advaita - nonduality Para-Advaita - respectively and finally above non-duality.[note 4] [edit]Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman Main articles: Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman Four levels of awareness or truth can be discerned:[citation needed] Small Ego/Ahamkara - 'I am' Big 'I Am' consciousness of Siva/Sakti-Prana Pure Awareness of SaGuna Brahman Ultimate Truth as NirGuna Brahman. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to Y.K. Menon, for Sankara the goal of Advaita Vedanta is knowledge of the non-duality of Atman and Brahman, thereby realising Sat-Cit-Ananda, or Being, Consciousness, Bliss.[citation needed] According to Ramana Maharshi these are actually qualities, and therefore attributes and still within illusion. In other words not Nirguna Brahman[note 5], but still Saguna Brahman.[citation needed][note 6] According to another interpretation, the realisation of Saguna Brahman and Nirguna is simultaneous, unless the person is a Bhakta/Devotee of some 'God Figure' and a believer in form.[citation needed] On the Pralaya or Dissolution of the Universe, it is Saguna Brahman, or Awareness, that 're-manifests' the universe, and not Nirguna Brahman. This is due to the seeds of manifestation being still present in subtle form or in potentiality, while the material is dissolved in Maha-Pralaya or the Great Dissolution.[citation needed]Pralaya Absolutely seen, Saguna Brahman is ultimately an illusion that never ever happened, Nirguna Brahman being or the only Truth. This can be compared in Vedantic Meditation to Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi (temporary realisation) and Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi (permanent Moksha). A person doing Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi is at the temporary stage.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glossary of Sanskrit Terms used in this article----- Atman = the individual being, identical with Brahman ---------------------- Jiva = Individual being ------------------------------- Advaita = Non-dual ------------------------------ Dvaita = dual -------------------------------- Visishtadvaita = Non-dual with distinction ---------------------------------------- Ajativada = non-creation, ---------------------------------- Bhakta = Devotee, --------------------------- Brahman = Pure Consciousness. -------------------- Saguna Brahman = Brahman along with Maya, as Creator of the Universe ----------------- Mukta = a free/realised person.------------------ ------------------- Nirguna Brahman = Pure Consciousness. Nir=Nil and Guna=modes; so "beyond all mind". ----------------------- Nirvikalpa Samadhi = where subject-object division is not there; no mind, no modification. --------------------- Sat-Cit-Ananda = Existence-Consciousness-Limitlessness, ---------------------- Pralaya = Dissolution or resolving of the Universe, ----------------------- Maha-Pralaya = Dissolution of the material and subtle universe, --------------- Para = Above/beyond, ---------------------------- Para-advaita = beyond non duality itself ----------------------- Vedanta = The concluding portions of the Vedas, the teachings of the Upanishads, ------------------------------ Turiya = Fourth State --------------------------------- Sahaja = natural meditation, permanent state of NirVikalpa Samadhi ---------------------------------- Sakshin = Witness, ------------------------------- Siva/Sakti = Consciousness/Universal Energy, --------------------------- Jiva = The individual, ----------------------------- Mukti = Freedom, liberation --------------------------------------- Manas = Mind, one of the four faculties of the antahkarana(the other three being buddhi, cittam and ahamkara) ------------------------------------ Vasanas = past impressions of the mind. ------------------------------ ^ The term is also used in the Lankavatara Sutra.[5] According to D.T Suzuki, "anutpada" is not the oppiste of "utpada", but transcends opposites. It is the seeing into the true nature of existence[6], the seeing that "all objects are without self-substance".[7] ^ C.q. "transitory" ^ The term is used in Kashmir Shaivism, meaning "the supreme and absolute non-dualism".[web 7] ^ Gaudapada too states that, from the absolute standpoint, not even "non-dual" exists. Para-Advaita[8] ^ "The Absolute without qualities", the ultimate transcendental, indescribable 'Beyond' ^ "The Absolute with qualities", being or 'Consciousness' associated with 'manifestation'************************************************************************************************************************************************* ]Published references ^ The Crest-Jewel of Discrimination', Mohini M. Chaterjee, The Theosophical Publishing House, Adyar, 1932. Verse 426 ^ David Godman (1986), Be as you are. The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi. London and New York, Arakana ^ 'I am that' ^ 'I am That', Acorn Press. N.C. 1999 ^ Renard 2010, p. 130. ^ a b Renard 2010, p. 131. ^ ^ Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit, Utpāda ^ Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit, Anutpāda ^ a b Ajativada – the missing link ^ Mandukya Upanishad with Gaudapada's Karika ^ a b c d advaita-vision.org, Discrimination ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* Sources Bhattacharya, Vidhushekhara (1943), Gauḍapādakārikā, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass Chatterji, Mohini M. (1973), Viveka-Cudamani, Adyar: Chennai Dikshit, Sudhaker S. (1999), I Am That. Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, Durham, N.C.: Acorn Press Godman, David Godman (1986), Be As You Are: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, London: Arakana, pp. 181–3, 184 Hart, William (1987), Vipassana Meditation as taught by S.N. Goenka, San Francisco: Harper and Row Puligandla, Ramakrishna (1997), Fundamentals of Indian Philosophy, New Delhi: D.K. Printworld (P) Ltd. ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Creation theories in Advaita Vedanta Swami Atmananda website Sri Ramana Maharshi website Gaudapada on Mandukya Upanishad Nisargadatta Maharaj website Sanskrit words and phrases Posted by Tony O'Clery at 2:12 PM 13 comments: Tony O'Clery said... Kim Dent-Brown and Joshua Johnathon do not speak sanskrit so apparently believe that Guadapada who was a Hindu could develop ajat from anybody but the Buddhists, who also were Hindus...And the concept had been in Hinduism for thousands upon thousands of years before nagarjuna.... 12:51 PM Tony O'Clery said... JOSHUA JOHNATHON STATES AJATIVADA MEANS CHANGELESS WHEN IN FACT IT MEANS NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AT ALL............ 5:02 PM Tony O'Clery said... JOSHUA JOHNATHON STATES AJATIVADA MEANS CHANGELESS WHEN IN FACT IT MEANS NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AT ALL............ 5:04 PM Tony O'Clery said... Joshua Jonathan does not understand Advaita Vedanta he is still insisting that Ajativada means a changeless appearance when in fact it means 'NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AT ALL INCLUDING THE APPEARANCE'. THIS KIND OF IGNORANCE ALLOWED ON WIKIPEDIA EDITORS IS ASTOUNDING....AND DEGRADES THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AS A SOURCE.... 4:13 PM Tony O'Clery said... Joshua Jonathon is still showing his ignorace by saying Ramana was a incarnation of god incarnate when we are all god or prana.. In fact Ramana became a mukta in his lifetime....... 3:38 PM Tony O'Clery said... MS SARAJ WELCH HAS FORGOTTEN MORE THAN THESE GUYS KNOW......... Ajativada. Vedantic, not Later Buddhistic which is erroneous mostly. It is not the same thing as the Buddhist Anutpada,(joshua jonathan and kim dent-brown, ogress, novalian), which the Buddhist for some reason spuriously present as ajativada..(.However Anutpada, or secondary, could equate with the Buddha's unborn...or Saguna Brahaman, in Vedanta.Joshua Jonathan does not understand Advaita Vedanta he is still insisting that Ajativada means a changeless appearance when in fact it means 'NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AT ALL INCLUDING THE APPEARANCE'. THIS KIND OF IGNORANCE ALLOWED ON WIKIPEDIA EDITORS IS ASTOUNDING....AND DEGRADES THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AS A SOURCE..... 4:41 PM Tony O'Clery said... joshua in his ignorance keep editing this out of the entry... In the Vedic Nasadiya Sukta. 10:129. The first linr reflects Ajativada , "Then even nothingness was not ,nor existence". This was multi thousand years before Buddhism,and the night sky in the Rig Veda is 8000 Bce. This sUkta reflects 'ajAtavAda'. This is further elaborated by the word 'visRShTiH' which raises a doubt upon 'creation'. This also is again in perfect tuning with Sri Raman's assertion; 'Where-from this 'visRShTi' came into being? And once again, 'visRShTi' itself can be interpreted according to Vedik Grammar as 'chaos' or 'appearances'. 2:47 PM Tony O'Clery said... https://oclery.blogspot.ca/2009/11/cognitive-dissonance-carnalitas.html 1:53 PM Tony O'Clery said... If one thinks the appearance happened and everything happened at once how can a seed become a tree without the illusion of time? In other words nothing ever happened not even the appearance..T 10:05 AM Tony O'Clery said... Your ego is afraid of extnction so it looks for 'something' to become... 10:33 AM Tony O'Clery said... You are currently unable to edit Wikipedia. You are still able to view pages, but you are not currently able to edit, move, or create them. Editing from Sivatayi has been blocked (disabled) by Favonian for the following reason(s): Abusing multiple accounts This block has been set to expire: no expiry set. Even if blocked, you will usually still be able to edit your user talk page and email other editors and administrators. This is the ignorance of the editers who do not understand ajativada and nir guna nir vana. 10:36 AM Tony O'Clery said... My entries on Nir Guna, Hinduism and Ajativada have been edited and me suspended by a computer ClueBot NG.??????T AI takes over and jimmy wales who i refused to speak to is a son of belial pushing AI. 10:56 AM Tony O'Clery said... Stephen Hawking said a great danger to humanity is Artificial Intelligence and now on WIKIPEDIA THEY ARE EDITING OUT MY VEDANTIC AND RIG VEDA REFERENCES WITH A COMPUTER ---CLUEBOT-NG.... SO SHOWING THE IRRELEVANCE OF WIKI PEDIA AND ITS UNEDUCATED UNENLIGHTENED EDITORS..T 11:10 AM Post a Comment