I am that quotes of Maharaj

I am that quotes of Maharaj

http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/images/uploaded/file/iamquotesofnisargadatta.pdf

Ultimately there is no creation of any kind.

Ultimately there is no creation of any kind.

Namaste RSji,

Ultimately there is no creation of any kind....but attributing some validity for
arguments sake...there is no reincarnation of a personality. There are clouds of
memories so to speak---Nisargadatta Maharaj---tendencies and attributes that
provide the energy for a new body...The ego is only these vibrations at this
time which is only the ego in potentiality as it needs a body,of any kind, to
manifest...The ego rises in the new body as soon as the child realises its own
small "I am' and builds the illusory personality from there...It uses the
defensive reaction response of the animal body and distorts that into the great
ego that humans have. So the
essence is just the egg and sperm of the mother and father and the tendencies
are inherited so to speak...but new ones develop new vasanas...

In all truth this is all in illusion..............Tony.

Sankaracharya on the road to moksha

Sankaracharya on the road to moksha


"praanaayaamam pratyaahaaram nityaanitya vivekavichaaram jaapyasameta samaadhividhaanam kurvavadhaanam mahadavadhaanam"

[Practice Prananyam & Pratyahara. Acquire the faculty to discriminate between the real and the fleeting. Learn the secrets (of inner meditation) including chanting of the holy name of God etc leading to Samadhi and thus silence the turbulent mind. Perform these with care, with extreme care.Sankara

No personality takes rebirth...it is all illusion.

>
> My question is on re-birth. I am convinced of all principles of Advaita. I
understand well that there is one substratum, one consciousness and one Brahman.
I also understand Tat Tvam Asi.
>
> The only issue I have is about Punar Janma. Punar Janma is not included in any
advaitic principle, to my little understanding.

Namaste S---lji,

No personality takes rebirth...it is all illusion. Having said that and
attributing some validity to illusion whilst one is in it so to speak; Some form
of rebirth of memories/samskaras/vasanas provide the energy for a new
body.....Nisargadatta Maharaj says they are like memories in a cloud...The new
personality forms from the time the child becomes aware of itself and the
ahamkara or ego develops so to speak...So all is based on this
phantom..........There is no reincarnation in my opinion and from what I have
learned from NIZ...Cheers Tony.

Namaste Tonyji,

When a baby is born to a particular parents he gets identified with the parents. The child will have his siblings and when he grows up will have his friends and then marry and have his separate family. He will grow old and his hair will grey. Then he will die. Now let us say that this person will take another birth but he may not have his same parents in his next birth nor have the same siblings nor have the same wife and family with children. Even his name may change. So even if he is reborn he will be born with a different identity. Thus the same personality is not reborn as there is a change which continues even on rebirth. That is why the rebirth is not the reappearance of the person with the same physical or mental make up. Once you accept this then only you will be able to accept the next step of how the rebirth takes place. There are several good books on the theory of rebirth. One particularly I liked was "Theory of Rebirth: Being a treatise on Indian Philosophy." Written, edited, and translated by Radhanath Phukan, M.A., B.L.

Regads,

S

The futility of human existence is the pursuit of pleasure,

The futility of human existence is the pursuit of pleasure, in the main, through lifetime after lifetime; The satisfying of the ego and senses over and over and over and over ad infinitum, through pralaya after maha-pralaya, through eternity in dimension after dimension, planet after planet....plane after plane. As Ramana says' there is always a body'..., for the desire egos. The cessation of this Dukkha only comes with Moksha. Otherwise one continually builds families, possessions, desires, achievements for a phantom that continues living and living and living, with no respite.

Pleasure is a distraction from the illness or disease of birth.

Even the Devas take incarnation to free themselves from their happiness.........



All this built upon a child upon whom the ego or ahamkara has arose....



Maharj say so called rebirth is the like a cloud of memories providing the energy for a new existence.

Surrender once for all and be done with the desire.

Bhagavan:

Surrender once for all and be done with the desire. So long as the sense of doership is retained there is the desire; that is also personality. If this goes the Self is found to shine forth pure. The sense of doership is the bondage and not the actions themselves.

“Be still and know that I am God.” Here stillness is total surrender without a vestige of individuality. Stillness will prevail and there will be no agitation of mind. Agitation of mind is the cause of desire, the sense of doership and personality. If that is stopped there is quiet. There ‘Knowing’ means ‘Being’. It is not the relative knowledge involving the triads, knowledge, subject and object.

source: Talk 354

Bhagavan also added, “We have to contend against agelong samskaras.

Bhagavan also added, “We have to contend against agelong

samskaras. They will all go. Only, they go

comparatively soon in the case of those who have already

made sadhana in the past, and late in the case of the others.”

In this connection I asked, “Do these samskaras go gradually

or will they suddenly disappear one day? I ask this, because

though I have remained fairly long here I do not perceive

any gradual change in me.”

Bhagavan asked, “When the sun rises, does the darkness go gradually or all at once?”

Source: Day by Day 31-3-1945 afternoon

Ashtavakra said: Bondage is when the mind longs

Ashtavakra Gita--Bondage translated by john richards....

Ashtavakra said:

Bondage is when the mind longs for something, grieves about something, rejects something, holds on to something, is pleased about something or displeased about something. 8.1

Liberation is when the mind does not long for anything, grieve about anything, reject anything, or hold on to anything, and is not pleased about anything or displeased about anything. 8.2

Bondage is when the mind is tangled in one of the senses, and liberation is when the mind is not tangled in any of the senses. 8.3

When there is no "me," that is liberation, and when there is "me" there is bondage. Consider this carefully, and neither hold on to anything nor reject anything. 8.4

Watching the grief and vicarious grief about Norway shows just how self indulgent

Watching the grief and vicarious grief about Norway shows just how self indulgent and emotionally incontinent we are in the west....In somalia a woman who has lost say 3 children is much more accepting and stoic,,,,
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Peter I think you'll find that , is the way , she deals with her grief , in the numbness and shock , that follows loss of a loved one !

Tony O'Clery Yes that can be also true in most circumstances but in countries were death is not hidden away in a nursing home or hospital it is as natural as the leaves falling in Autumn...These societies have a completely different attitude to our 'hide death' and create a heaven on earth....They are more true unto themselves.......
We make the mistake of transferring our ideas from out perverted and diverted society on to people living in a more natural society....They are more stoic and surrenedered we are self indulgent wallow in grief and joy....even vicariously for attention.

I think Vedantists doesn't approve of me taking the idea of illusion a step further than appearance.

Namaste,

I think Vedantists doesn't approve of me taking the idea of illusion a
step further than appearance....for appearance needs a mind and Brahman cannot
have duality so appearance also never happened.. I know the path they has gone
down very well....go to the advaitin groups and advaita sites and you will see
more of them....but it leads nowhere for it is all in the mind discussing the
mind...and people like to own their concepts....Also a teacher shouldn't really
be a teacher unless they have achieved what it is they are teaching, although it
is a a maxim if you can't do something then teach it...
Whether all these ideas are pointers or not they have come about due to the body
and consciousness manifesting in it...the son of a barren woman...The have all
come about because a child noticed that it existed and built on
that.............consciousness has originally forced itself on unawareness and
then on the child...As NIZ said it is all trash this religious and spiritual
study, and all the actor philosophers....there is only to recognise the I
amness.....a feeling not a mantra and realise that...

I don't think for one moment that I have gone a step further than sankara...he
didn't go beyond appearance as they wouldn't grasp it...Nir Vana means- no
sample Nir Guna means -beyond...

This is the only entry or writing besides discussion groups that I have
composed....Why? Because I am not realised and have vasanas so I am not
qualified to teach or be a sadguru....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajativada

avidya is at the individual level

avidya is at the individual level maya is the universal level...ahamkara has to be eliminated a thorn to remove a thorn...realisation is just overcoming ones vasanas.

http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ashtavakragita.html

http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ashtavakragita.html

-Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying

I am trying to tell you ---Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying in the name of religion , in the name of spirituality. Understand only one thing -That godly principle is there..that 'I amness', or consciousness-that is godliest of prinicples. It is there as long as the vital breath or life force is there...Maharaj.
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Visitor: Is God apart from the Self?+URLs

Visitor: Is God apart from the Self?
Bhagavan: Ramana---The Self is God. “I AM” is God. “I am the Self, O Gudakesa!” (Ahamatma Gudakesa).
This question arises because you are holding the ego self. This will not arise if you hold the True Self. For the Real Self will not and cannot ask anything. If God be apart from the Self He must be a Self-less God, which is absurd.

source: Talk 363

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Life_of_Masters/Ramana-Maharshi/Meditation-Experiences.htm

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Life_of_Masters/Ramana-Maharshi/Self-Inquiry.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXlV8cI-ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-OS8LU6JW8&feature=related

When Niz talks of the life force and worshipping

When Niz talks of the life force and worshipping that, he calls it Krishna, or Christ Principle along with consciousness...So people who worship forms or Istadevatas are actually putting a name and a form on the life-force....

Just thinking of Casey Anthony trial.

Just thinking of Casey Anthony trial... Niz Maharaj says that psychiatrists will not really be able to help people until they know what the mind is..........

The Secret of Liberation...ia the Birth Principle..NIZ...This is all you need!!!!

The Secret of Liberation...ia the Birth Principle..NIZ...This is all you need!!!!
by Tony O'Clery on Friday, July 15, 2011 at 3:30pm

Only one in a crore, (10million),persons can find out what the birth principle is. And once you know it is everything, all knowledge belongs to you-even liberation is yours.......Nisargadatta .Maharaj....



The birth principle is Turyia.........Turiya is the 'I Am'..It is the witness state...it is Saguna........Tony .



Turiya is the 4th state above waking, dreaming, and deep sleep...above Turiya is Turyiatita or Nirguna...



I have put this in a note as it is the secret of liberation and it is so simple..........following the teachings of Niz...concentrate on the 'I Am'...excluding all else...develop that feeling that all is one and all is you....Koham -who am I? Soham--I am He!....I Am Siva -Sivoham...To slip iinto the parlance of Ramana Maharshi...one must go into samadhi....NirVikalpa Samadhi as that is Turiyatita....however most cannot hold it due to scum on the pond preventing the relfection of the sun or vasanas. I personally cannot truly hold it for much more than half an hour...or less than an hour anyway...Once one can hold the state permanently it is, to quote Ramana.. No longer Kevala but Sahaja NirVikalpa Samadhi...or realisation, liberation, Moksha, or whatever term you wish to use to grasp it...Moksha is Moha Kyshaya or delusion destroyed...



In order to understand Maharaj...he says one must worship the vital force that prana...that meditation is necessary. Presumably as it is the kinetic side of consciousness and is within our grasp....All this comes from Maharaj and Ramana.....Tony.

To save time and posts..A true Guru or Sadguru is a realised person

To save time and posts..A true Guru or Sadguru is a realised person or a Mukta...all else are just actors entertaining. To be a Mukta a person must go through real death experience like Jesus, Ramana, Maharaj etc....and be able to teach in silence..........simple as that.
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Tony O'Clery This does not mean there aren't sincere non realised teachers, who admit they are not realised and rely directly on the sayings and teachings. However being realises is like being outside the bottle...and inside the bottle there are those at the bottom of the liquid and some floating at the top.....but they are all in the bottle of non realisation and illusion...and the floaters cannot show the way out

Nisargadatta Maharaj on the non realised teacher/philosophers.

Nisargadatta Maharaj on the non realised teacher/philosophers.
by Tony O'Clery on Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 7:39am

Nisargadatta Maharaj on the non realised teacher/philosophers.



"Talking about philosophers, all these philosophers what are they doing? They are only acting philosophy!"





Note. The fact that these non realised teachers are only acting means they have no power, they do not have the working Saktipat of the Self. They are superfluous. as the real teachings and recordings of the Muktas are extant. They are the blind leading the blind, they charge money or accept donations, for their plagiarised unrealised wisdom. I have already posted what Papaji said about his disciples who teach----that they are not even a little bit enlightened.

A lot of the Indian gurus like the late sai baba, or the present bhagavan and amma or one university and many others work psychologically. That is they get the devotees to take their images into their minds. They get the devotees to transfer or displace the fake gurus image on to their inner mind, so worship and pray to..as their own higher self....This is a well known trick in India that is well known to many...Westerners have no idea at all.....Once the image has been put on the devotees inner mind it is hard to remove, as the inner mind usually has no image. The fake guru becomes part of the devotees psyche..........

In the practise of meditation this life force gets purified

In the practise of meditation this life force gets purified and the light of the Atman shines forth. However the working principle is still the life force and the light of the Self merge into each other, then the concept, imagination, or mind, everything is held in abeyance...Maharaj.

Some basic points...1.Within illusion there is only karma and prana in the universe.

Some basic points...1.Within illusion there is only karma and prana in the universe.


Some basic points...1.Within illusion there is only karma and prana in the universe. Prana or the life force and consciousness of 'I Am' are not really separate..prana is just the kinetic of the consciousness....We are not just pranis but Praneaswara. 2.Only a being that has realised they are the real 'I Am' is qualified to teach...the rest are just speculation and entertainment...at the lowest level of speech or vocality...Only a mukta has the Saktipat of the Self....of which they control.3. There is no separate god apart from ourselves..we are all praneaswara...What people worship is the life force...which is love, and energy and consciousness all in one.................

Important Couplets From Vedanta Panchadasi By Sri Vidya

Important Couplets From Vedanta Panchadasi By Sri Vidya
by Tony O'Clery on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 at 12:17pm

Important Couplets From Vedanta Panchadasi By Sri Vidya

XIV. THE BLISS OF KNOWLEDGE

13. As water does not stick to the leaves of a lotus so after realisation future actions cannot stick to the knower.

15. Sri Krishna says: ˜Just as a blazing fire reduces the fuel to ashes, so, O Arjuna,the fire of knowledge burns up all actionsâ.

16. ˜He who has no notion of I-ness and whose mind is not tainted by desire for results of action is not really a killer even if he kills people; he is not bound by his actions.

42. Let the ignorant people of the world perform worldly actions and desire to

possess wives, children and wealth. I am full of supreme bliss. For what purpose

should I engage myself in worldly concerns ?

I asked, “But what about a pure materialist,Ramana

I asked, “But what about a pure materialist, who does not believe in God. How are we to deal with him?”
Bhagavan: He will come gradually, step by step, to find out the source of ‘I’. First, adversity will make him feel that there is a power beyond his control, upsetting his plans. Then, he will begin with rituals, ceremonial worship, and through japa, kirtan, dhyana, go on to vichara...Ramana


That was my own route and in the end found there was no separate god....either...Just the Self and ultimately NirGuna..Tony

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.
by Tony O'Clery on Monday, July 11, 2011 at 9:08am

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.....so words like enlightenment or realisation are just words to describe a non existent event. So there is no word for it. We are already enlightened....we are like ponds with scum on..remove the scum/vasanas of desire mind and the pond reflects the sun...The Guru is actually the Inner Sadguru or Self...the outer Guru is the same Self a Mukta--Guru-Self, working through a different illusory body than yours...One is pulling and the other is pushing so to speak but it is ever the same Sadguru. One's own pond has scum on it but the Guru's doesn't so reflects the sun/Self

The body is an organism that will function its own way we are almost possessors, of it. The built up egoic mind entity occupies the natural body as a tool to enjoy and prolong pleasures and sense stimulation. Most people don't get any more enlightened as they age, they just get older with their bucket of desires still full.

Anything of mind is illusion...Truth cannot be spoken of as it then becomes a concept it can only be apperceived. Even, consciousness-prana, the Self, 'Awareness and Being', are all illusory Saguna....for where are they in NirVikalpa Samadhi?????????Nir Vana, Nir Viklpa, Nir Guna are all ways of decribing neti neti to the fullest......One last point -the human body/mind doesn't create a guru to follow,,that is also a form of body consciousness that some cannot shake off from their speculations...The answer is Ajativada as is my entry on wikipedia.

Nisargadatta Maharaj on Self euthanasia..

Nisargadatta Maharaj on Self euthanasia...............
by Tony O'Clery on Friday, July 8, 2011 at 3:31pm

Q. Is it obligatory to live out one's natural life span?

M. Natural -spontaneously -easy-yes. But disease and suffering are not natural. There is noble virtue in unshakable endurance of whatever comes but there is also dignity in the refusal of meaningless torture and humiliation....



Maharaj's body suffered with cancer in its last stages...but there was nobody home to accept the pain...
When you are awake you are consciousness when you are asleep you are only alive. Consciousness and and life---both you may call god but you are beyond god beyond being and not being....Maharaj.

"Pre-occupation with theory, doctrine and philosophy can actually be harmful,

"Pre-occupation with theory, doctrine and philosophy can actually be harmful,
insofar as it distracts a man from the really important work of spiritual
effort, by offering an easier alternative which is merely mental, and which
therefore cannot change his nature."

(says Arthur Osborne in: The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi in His own Words,
Chap.1)

Without the body, the world is not.

Without the body, the world is not.
Without the mind, the body is not.
Without awareness, there is no mind.
And without being theris no Awareness.

Verse 99 - Guruvachaka kovai

Before volunteering for Abyssinia my father had a relationship with a German girl in Bavaria

Note *3. Before volunteering for Abyssinia my father had a relationship with a German girl in Bavaria...Munich I believe, although he visited at Nuremberg as well..Apparently he traveled backwards and forwards from the UK. On his last occasion there he was having a meal in a restaurant when two men, dressed in trilby brimmer hats and long leather coats, stood in the door way and shouted out his name. The Gestapo had come for him and it seems they didn't approve of his relationship with the German girl...whether it was due to the fact of his mother's Jewish family or the girl's I don't know. He was probably lucky he was an Neutral Irish National, for otherwise he may have been detained, although at this stage Britain and the UK were not at war.. The Germans had the name of every Jewish person and family in the British Isles going back to a grandparent to qualify. My father's mother would have been regarded as 100% due to her mother's status, at the very least, making myself, and siblings and cousins, also a candidate qualifying for the camps at Auschwitz and elsewhere...The Germans on the conquest of the British Isles were going to round up all the Jews and deport them to the camps along with other such as Communists etc..Bavaria would have been handy for the Gestapo as that was were Dachau, and Flossenberg, were situated; so my father's Irish Nationality saved him from going to that local concentration camp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

http://www.thirdreichruins.com/flossenburg.htm
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