Friday, October 23, 2009

Some thoughts on States and Illusion.

Some thoughts on States and Illusion.



I find this interesting for within illusion, the dream or astral

does operate as its own world as well as use impressions from the

waking state......So my experiences whether from the Astral, Imagination, Day-Dream, Dream are all from the 'Dream Plane'.....Take you pick so to speak...


First giving validity to the illusion lets discuss the Soul. What is

it? How is it separate from the original Universal?



It is not that complicated really, the soul is an entity made up of

aggregates or mental constructs. Whether we call them kosas,

samkaras, vasanas or whatever they are all mental constructs in the

mind. They are like beads on a sutra, and the thread of the sutra is

the Ego or 'I' sense. This comes first and all other thoughts are

added to it. Consequently when the Ego/I is eliminated as an

illusion the entire thread collapses-------------HENCE MOKSHA! For

there is really only one soul in the entire universe.



People may say well a separate soul must exist in Muktas like Ramana

Maharshi etc. This is only partially true for the construct of body

and mind will only hold together as long as the prarabda karma

exists. Other than that there is no Ego existing at all, only the

Sakti using the Purified Vijnanamayakosa, for the time alloted by

prarabda.



This is why on Moksha and dropping the body, re-birth can never

occur for there isn't an ego to take rebirth. Ego is a thought and

one thought will cause rebirth. This is what I have learned reading,

The Gita, The Vedas, Sankara, Gaudapada, Ramana, Nisargadatta etc

etc..............

Ultimately there is only the concept of ajativada, but having said

that, a hypothesis is drishti-srishti or 'creation' arising with

one's perception of it. An illusory 'I' creating an illusory world.



This really indicates that the common substratum itself is an

illusion. However it does show that even if we give the substratum

some validity for arguments sake, that 'All is One' and we all

perceive the same or similar world. With the proviso that we seem to

add to the illusion with the sutra of ego

thoughts.......


Ramana says that the Ajativada is the ultimate truth but the most

difficult to appreciate. He therefore advises people to entertain

the hypothesis of Drishti-Shristi Vada. The question you are posing

is much tied up with the ego or I thought, for it never wishes to

negate itself or its existence. One may not be aware of the creation

in deep sleep for it doesn't exist in full. What exists is the one

thought of ignorant bliss. The mind has withdrawn from the other

level of materiality and they have collapsed as not having existed

as in waking up from a dream.

So the problem stems from not being realised, and still entertaining

the 'I' thought. The I is believing that everything in creation is

existing whilst it was asleep. This is not so for the 'I' is an

illusion even in creation. So an illusion is making judgements on a

delusion!!

Does the personal dream state exist and the same dream continue when

one wakes up in the morning? No of course not, so each level has its

own temporary delusional validity that's all.



The question one should ask oneself is; Can the 'I' remember what

happened in the deep sleep state? Was it awake in the deep sleep

state? Can it narrate what it remembered?

The fact that all disappears in the deep sleep state just reinforces

the oneness of all even in illusion. So the doubt is just the 'I'

thought grasping at straws, the thief in the palace that's all, it

feels threatened.

Just to continue;

IMHO, The 'I' believing the world exists while it sleeps is an

attachment a grasping mechanism. For the 'I' identifies strongly

with the world and is reinforced in its belief of its own existence.

By believing that which it is attached to exists in deep sleep. This

is an anchor for the ego and an impediment to realisation. For it is

the mind believing in the mind instead of using a thorn to remove a

thorn................Tony.