Some thoughts on States and Illusion.
I find this interesting for within illusion, the dream or astral
does operate as its own world as well as use impressions from the
waking state......So my experiences whether from the Astral, Imagination, Day-Dream, Dream are all from the 'Dream Plane'.....Take you pick so to speak...
First giving validity to the illusion lets discuss the Soul. What is
it? How is it separate from the original Universal?
It is not that complicated really, the soul is an entity made up of
aggregates or mental constructs. Whether we call them kosas,
samkaras, vasanas or whatever they are all mental constructs in the
mind. They are like beads on a sutra, and the thread of the sutra is
the Ego or 'I' sense. This comes first and all other thoughts are
added to it. Consequently when the Ego/I is eliminated as an
illusion the entire thread collapses-------------HENCE MOKSHA! For
there is really only one soul in the entire universe.
People may say well a separate soul must exist in Muktas like Ramana
Maharshi etc. This is only partially true for the construct of body
and mind will only hold together as long as the prarabda karma
exists. Other than that there is no Ego existing at all, only the
Sakti using the Purified Vijnanamayakosa, for the time alloted by
prarabda.
This is why on Moksha and dropping the body, re-birth can never
occur for there isn't an ego to take rebirth. Ego is a thought and
one thought will cause rebirth. This is what I have learned reading,
The Gita, The Vedas, Sankara, Gaudapada, Ramana, Nisargadatta etc
etc..............
Ultimately there is only the concept of ajativada, but having said
that, a hypothesis is drishti-srishti or 'creation' arising with
one's perception of it. An illusory 'I' creating an illusory world.
This really indicates that the common substratum itself is an
illusion. However it does show that even if we give the substratum
some validity for arguments sake, that 'All is One' and we all
perceive the same or similar world. With the proviso that we seem to
add to the illusion with the sutra of ego
thoughts.......
Ramana says that the Ajativada is the ultimate truth but the most
difficult to appreciate. He therefore advises people to entertain
the hypothesis of Drishti-Shristi Vada. The question you are posing
is much tied up with the ego or I thought, for it never wishes to
negate itself or its existence. One may not be aware of the creation
in deep sleep for it doesn't exist in full. What exists is the one
thought of ignorant bliss. The mind has withdrawn from the other
level of materiality and they have collapsed as not having existed
as in waking up from a dream.
So the problem stems from not being realised, and still entertaining
the 'I' thought. The I is believing that everything in creation is
existing whilst it was asleep. This is not so for the 'I' is an
illusion even in creation. So an illusion is making judgements on a
delusion!!
Does the personal dream state exist and the same dream continue when
one wakes up in the morning? No of course not, so each level has its
own temporary delusional validity that's all.
The question one should ask oneself is; Can the 'I' remember what
happened in the deep sleep state? Was it awake in the deep sleep
state? Can it narrate what it remembered?
The fact that all disappears in the deep sleep state just reinforces
the oneness of all even in illusion. So the doubt is just the 'I'
thought grasping at straws, the thief in the palace that's all, it
feels threatened.
Just to continue;
IMHO, The 'I' believing the world exists while it sleeps is an
attachment a grasping mechanism. For the 'I' identifies strongly
with the world and is reinforced in its belief of its own existence.
By believing that which it is attached to exists in deep sleep. This
is an anchor for the ego and an impediment to realisation. For it is
the mind believing in the mind instead of using a thorn to remove a
thorn................Tony.
