Hi, Tony. Can you talk on necessity or not of celibacy?

Elena VinogradovaTony O'Clery
Hi, Tony. Can you talk on necessity or not of celibacy? Thanks.
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Tony O'Clery Celibacy of mind is important re karma...but in a normal relationship sex is a bodily function....celibacy is for sannyasins...I am not celibate or am I a sannyasin and I'm not realises as I am on FB.
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Elena Vinogradova that woman she talked about couple of married couples in her ashram, and they are celibate.
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Tony O'Clery may be may be not...as Ramana said -no good being celibate if you are not celibate in the mind as well.
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Elena Vinogradova what is celibate in the mind for you?
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Tony O'Clery No sex vasana
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Elena Vinogradova How do you know you don't have sex vasana? No dreams?
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Tony O'Clery Sanskrit for sub conscious is vasana citta....desire drives.
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Elena Vinogradova in pali it'a sankara/sanskara. So if no desire drives in walking or sleeping, then no sex vasana?
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Tony O'Clery creation impulse....I still have it so cannot really comment on getting rid of it hahahahaah
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Elena Vinogradova Ok, for example, somebody old definetely doesnt have creation impulse, but it doesnt mean no sex vasana, right?
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Tony O'Clery A person can be 80 years old and their bucket of desires could still be full................
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Elena Vinogradova exactly. so when is that one knows no sex vasana?
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Tony O'Clery Even old people have creation impulse as it is mind...the hormones are transducers from the kosas and tell you what to think about.
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Tony O'Clery There is no sex vasana in samadhi --so one has to be in walking samadhi....moksha.
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Elena Vinogradova so, if no impulse to create, no sex desire in walking and sleep, then no sex vasana?
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Elena Vinogradova so you are saying only in moksha no sex vasana? If no moksha, then sex vasana there?
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Tony O'Clery Vasanas like food, sex, etc are always there to a certain extent...but can't talk to it as I am not there.
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Tony O'Clery Gandhiji had trouble so he slept with two girls to prove he had lost the vasana.
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Elena Vinogradova i see, ok, got it.
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Tony O'Clery Literally slept..no sex..
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Tony O'Clery You can have the vasana but fry it so it is there but a burnt seed and can't resprout.
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Elena Vinogradova I know. serious long vipassana burn it.
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Tony O'Clery Yes but it has to be fried completely...not just during vipassana.
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Tony O'Clery I have given up smoking, alcohol, meat eating, but whether I have the vasana unfried I don't know...as it is in the subconscious mind..or vasana citta.
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Tony O'Clery Only safe route is Sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi.
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Tony O'Clery As sexual desire vasana can be transmuted into other urges so it is hidden, power, frustration, boredom, action etc etc....
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Tony O'Clery Masturbation can occur without overt sexual desire but it is still a vasana...the creation impulse...meditation is the reverse of creation.
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Tony O'Clery Some people wank for something to do and achieve haahahah
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Tony O'Clery Animals in cages masturbate on the food bowls...
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Elena Vinogradova hahaha
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Tony O'Clery so sex and doing are inextricably linked....
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Tony O'Clery so sex and doing are inextricably linked....
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Elena Vinogradova So what are benefits of being naturally celibate? Are any?
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Elena Vinogradova What I understand it's the most harm is to tense the desire. So some paths go with expressing it fully, like tantra, right? and some frying it like vipassana.
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Tony O'Clery Less desire less activity and less reinforcement of the vasana, but if one is married it is impossible.....
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Elena Vinogradova why impossible? I met couples in vipassana, possible!
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Tony O'Clery K- is the universal mind read my post today on kundalini....
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Tony O'Clery possible because they said so but even they do not know how deep is the vasana...
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Tony O'Clery Will power can control through icca sakti...but it is not permanent.
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Elena Vinogradova if no desire and no impulse to recreate, they are naturally celibate
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Tony O'Clery perhaps....many have fallen off the wagon.
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Elena Vinogradova in vipassana it's not will power - no reaction, so sensation arise
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Elena Vinogradova like in Gandhi
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Tony O'Clery I understand vippassana....I use it but again the subconscious desire is there also the hormones.
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Elena Vinogradova vipassana works on the level of sub mind.
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Tony O'Clery I don't know what state Gandhiji was in...no desire or icca sakti...only moksha is a guarantee.
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Elena Vinogradova ok
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Tony O'Clery Yes I know Goenka etc
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Elena Vinogradova i will look up your post on kundalini!
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Elena Vinogradova have a nice dinner! What's cooking today?
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Tony O'Clery Don't know something vegetarian anyway....this was a good exchange---keep it as I have not done this before.
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