Anything you can think

Anything you can think of, touch love, enjoy, help, console, teach, marry, bury, baptise, believe in, worship, follow is all ultmately nonsense and of the mind therefore unreal and has to be dropped.

Human evolution is away from the truth not towards it...Animals use silence and subtle telepathic imagery to communicate and only use gross sound sparingly. Humans have lost the subtle abilities and are only left with the mechanical speech and computer of the frontal lobes.

Grief comes waves

Grief comes waves as it is attached to the mind in the 3 gunas. Which cause waves and movements of the pranas. But it is the Ego mind putting on the energy, good, bad, danger, excitement, devotion whatever. Naming the un-named common energy that is..

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At present, spirituality on the planet has divided

At present, spirituality on the planet has divided into the ancient Vedantic type science of liberation and the superficiality of Western Verbal Non-Dualism, Vindism, which like so many other 'easy mind ways' is a dead end leading only to rebirth in illusion, wandering in the forest of thought.
Mind has only one use and that is to take one to the doorstep of Nirvikalpa Samadhi, with the removal of vasanas...
People try and make illusion real and relevant, with emotional sentiment, attachment and pollyanna ideas..but one cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear...it is all mind...
Any form of mind, a thought spiritual or a thought obscene, there is no difference....thought is thought ...

Forget all teachings except words of the Muktas....all else is just superfluous without Saktipat...So either get a living guru or follow the teachings of the ages..until The Self is your guru. All else is a total waste of time if you are really sincere about Moksha.

Where and when is the strongest communications between humans?

Where and when is the strongest communications between humans?
by Tony O'Clery on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:01am

Where and when is the strongest communications between humans? It is before speech-as speech brings questions and disagreements as speech is a tool of the ego.

When you open your eyes in the morning what do you see? and How do you feel? Are you looking and not recognising where you are. That is before the ego starts to run with the ego. Do you search for knowing where you are ? That is the ego trying to string thoughts on the sutra....



What do you feel? Do you have memory of Bliss if you wake from the causal state without tarrying in the dream plane? Who are you now the ego has risen and you know where you are and what you have to do and the thoughts come rushing in.

Speech and words can turn into the greatest impediment

Watch the commercials on TV-all the happy people smiling away and know so many cannot be happy all the time---know is it is a delusion of experiences and pleasures.

Speech and words can turn into the greatest impediment to realisation apparently. Hence Lakshmana Swamy and others taught through silence, which is the most subtle. So images and words are the tools of the ego, diverting one from concentrating on Kevala NirVikalpa Samadhi and Moksha.

The ill educated bhakta has the advantage of being 'light' and not heavy with weight the load of overloaded verbose intellect, full of diverse words and dialectics all providing armour the ego...

The wordy teachers and verbal non dualists or vndists are a diversion as they are tangible and people can understand and converse with them in ego diversion.However they are a complete dead end and only end up in re-birth. Even if they can reach a plane of seeming non-duality, which deceives them and their clever intellectual minds and mind awarenss, now etc etc.It is the oldest trick in the ego's book the marshalling of the ego's cohorts....

People don't really want moksha they just want to talk about it, as they are a victim of their own egos. They do this as they look at Moksha or liberation as just another experience for some kind of pleasure............

Hi, Tony. Can you talk on necessity or not of celibacy?

Elena VinogradovaTony O'Clery
Hi, Tony. Can you talk on necessity or not of celibacy? Thanks.
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Tony O'Clery Celibacy of mind is important re karma...but in a normal relationship sex is a bodily function....celibacy is for sannyasins...I am not celibate or am I a sannyasin and I'm not realises as I am on FB.
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Elena Vinogradova that woman she talked about couple of married couples in her ashram, and they are celibate.
40 minutes ago · Like
Tony O'Clery may be may be not...as Ramana said -no good being celibate if you are not celibate in the mind as well.
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Elena Vinogradova what is celibate in the mind for you?
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Tony O'Clery No sex vasana
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Elena Vinogradova How do you know you don't have sex vasana? No dreams?
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Tony O'Clery Sanskrit for sub conscious is vasana citta....desire drives.
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Elena Vinogradova in pali it'a sankara/sanskara. So if no desire drives in walking or sleeping, then no sex vasana?
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Tony O'Clery creation impulse....I still have it so cannot really comment on getting rid of it hahahahaah
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Elena Vinogradova Ok, for example, somebody old definetely doesnt have creation impulse, but it doesnt mean no sex vasana, right?
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Tony O'Clery A person can be 80 years old and their bucket of desires could still be full................
24 minutes ago · Like
Elena Vinogradova exactly. so when is that one knows no sex vasana?
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Tony O'Clery Even old people have creation impulse as it is mind...the hormones are transducers from the kosas and tell you what to think about.
24 minutes ago · Like
Tony O'Clery There is no sex vasana in samadhi --so one has to be in walking samadhi....moksha.
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Elena Vinogradova so, if no impulse to create, no sex desire in walking and sleep, then no sex vasana?
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Elena Vinogradova so you are saying only in moksha no sex vasana? If no moksha, then sex vasana there?
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Tony O'Clery Vasanas like food, sex, etc are always there to a certain extent...but can't talk to it as I am not there.
21 minutes ago · Like
Tony O'Clery Gandhiji had trouble so he slept with two girls to prove he had lost the vasana.
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Elena Vinogradova i see, ok, got it.
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Tony O'Clery Literally slept..no sex..
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Tony O'Clery You can have the vasana but fry it so it is there but a burnt seed and can't resprout.
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Elena Vinogradova I know. serious long vipassana burn it.
13 minutes ago · Like
Tony O'Clery Yes but it has to be fried completely...not just during vipassana.
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Tony O'Clery I have given up smoking, alcohol, meat eating, but whether I have the vasana unfried I don't know...as it is in the subconscious mind..or vasana citta.
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Tony O'Clery Only safe route is Sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi.
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Tony O'Clery As sexual desire vasana can be transmuted into other urges so it is hidden, power, frustration, boredom, action etc etc....
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Tony O'Clery Masturbation can occur without overt sexual desire but it is still a vasana...the creation impulse...meditation is the reverse of creation.
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Tony O'Clery Some people wank for something to do and achieve haahahah
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Tony O'Clery Animals in cages masturbate on the food bowls...
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Elena Vinogradova hahaha
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Tony O'Clery so sex and doing are inextricably linked....
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Tony O'Clery so sex and doing are inextricably linked....
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Elena Vinogradova So what are benefits of being naturally celibate? Are any?
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Elena Vinogradova What I understand it's the most harm is to tense the desire. So some paths go with expressing it fully, like tantra, right? and some frying it like vipassana.
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Tony O'Clery Less desire less activity and less reinforcement of the vasana, but if one is married it is impossible.....
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Elena Vinogradova why impossible? I met couples in vipassana, possible!
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Tony O'Clery K- is the universal mind read my post today on kundalini....
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Tony O'Clery possible because they said so but even they do not know how deep is the vasana...
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Tony O'Clery Will power can control through icca sakti...but it is not permanent.
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Elena Vinogradova if no desire and no impulse to recreate, they are naturally celibate
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Tony O'Clery perhaps....many have fallen off the wagon.
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Elena Vinogradova in vipassana it's not will power - no reaction, so sensation arise
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Elena Vinogradova like in Gandhi
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Tony O'Clery I understand vippassana....I use it but again the subconscious desire is there also the hormones.
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Elena Vinogradova vipassana works on the level of sub mind.
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Tony O'Clery I don't know what state Gandhiji was in...no desire or icca sakti...only moksha is a guarantee.
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Elena Vinogradova ok
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Tony O'Clery Yes I know Goenka etc
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Elena Vinogradova i will look up your post on kundalini!
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Elena Vinogradova have a nice dinner! What's cooking today?
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Tony O'Clery Don't know something vegetarian anyway....this was a good exchange---keep it as I have not done this before.
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This is what Meher Baba had to say about Jesus in India:

This is what Meher Baba had to say about Jesus in India:
by Tony O'Clery on Friday, April 8, 2011 at 5:23pm

This is what Meher Baba had to

say about Jesus in India:



"There is one secret about Jesus which the Christians do not know.

When Jesus was crucified, he did not die. He entered the state of

Nirvikalpa Samadhi (the I-am-God state without bodily consciousness).

On the third day, he again became conscious of his body, and he

traveled secretly in disguise eastward (with some apostles) to India.

This was called Jesus' resurrection. After reaching India, he

traveled farther east to Rangoon, in Burma, where he remained for

some time. He then went north to Kashmir, where he settled. When his

work was finished on earth, he dropped his body and entered Nirvikalp

Samadhi permanently. Saints in India have verified these facts about

Jesus' travels. Mankind will soon become aware of the true life of

Jesus." [23 August 1925, Meherabad, LM3 p752]



It is very interesting that Meher Baba, back in August of 1925,

stated that "Mankind will soon become aware of the true life of

Jesus." Other people from the East, such as Dr. Fida Hassnain,

Basharat Saleem, Shirdi Sai Baba, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, all have made

similiar statements.

http://www.tombofjesus.com/

http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=58

तोम्ब ऑफ़

http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=58

BEING A VEGETARIAN and AHIMSA.

BEING A VEGETARIAN and AHIMSA.

This is written not to condemn meat eaters but more to explain why some are vegetarians. (Sometime back I heard on the news, that the U.K. had banned experiments on animals for cosmetics reasons. They have also banned some medical experiments that are considered unnecessary, especially those that are just done for money, like unnecessary research. At least that is a start!

However my pleasure was short lived, for whilst channel surfing, I came across a piece on T.V. that made me sit up. It was about a system where they can take a fish, partially gut it, scale it, dip it in batter and fry part of it, whilst all the time keeping it ALIVE!I t was then served up on the table with sauce, whilst the eating parties dug in with chopsticks. The family's children ran from the table for the fish was obviously alive and suffering, opening and closing its mouth. Or we have the skinning of seal cubs while still alive, the boiling of shell-fish while still alive and many other violent acts. This doesn’t include the horrors of the slaughterhouses.

All violence of any kind should be avoided except for self defence. That means in thought, word, and deed .Even making too much noise should be avoided. Humans are human animals ,aspiring human beings, human beings, and Divine Humans. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. For it has to do with the level of awareness and purification of the awareness sheath or vijnanamayakosa. A completely purified vijnanamayakosa is the sheath that a Jnani uses to relate to the world. To the human animal eating meat is probably part of it’s self developed condition .For spiritual seekers though, aspiring human beings, eating meat is a no-no and that includes fish. Swami Yogananda did say however that unfertilised eggs are alright to eat, if you really have to, free range that is. Ghandiji did eat eggs, when he was ill. Wearing leather is again debatable, for if the animal died for food the leather is something superflous. On the other hand fur is different, for the animal is killed for its skin alone. It is all in the motive, it is in the mind. We can only do the best we can and most like to do things gradually rather than not at all.

Vegetarianism for Spiritual Seekers is not primarily for reasons of health but for Spirituality. It is really a belief in Ahimsa or non-violence that is the motivating cause.

For example eating meat means accepting blame and bad Karma, probably for many lifetimes, for killing an animal and the associated suffering. It is not our Dharma to eat meat and we have caused pain and terror to the animal. Also we have sent billions of animals to the subtle plane. Many of these animals are reincarnated as humans and carry with them the resentment of their treatment and death in the slaughterhouses. This adds to bad vibrations on the planet and subsequent massacres and killings, as in Ruanda etc. Violence can be intrinsic, like banging a book down on a table, cutting down trees un-necessarily or even thinking bad thoughts.

Meat eating is a habit like smoking, drug addiction or alcoholism and it can be broken the same way; Pray, surrender to The Divine and stop. Some people may have to do it progressively; however this may only prolong the bad karma involved.

The advantages of being a vegetarian are many, apart from the effect on our health. When we eat meat we absorb animal vibrations into our own mind and body, making it more difficult to advance spiritually.

Many argue that we need meat for proteins. The humble soya can supply most dietary needs contained in meat. It takes 4 kg of fish meal to produce every 1 kg of farmed salmon. Also it takes 8kg of grain to produce 1/2kg of beef; a waste of food resources on a hungry planet .At the present time 3%-6% of North Americans and 15% of British are vegetarians. The Indian percentage would be much higher no doubt.

Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic diet consisting of vegetables, except not too many, onions, garlic chillies etc, will be conducive to a peaceful mind.

As Dr. Albert Schweitzer tells us:

"I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life. I cannot avoid compassion for everything that is called life. That is the beginning of morality. Once a man has experienced it and continues to do so he/she is ethical. He carries morality within him/her and can never lose it, for it continues to develop within him. He who has never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles.

These theories have no root in him, they do not belong to him, and they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic of love in its deepest and highest sense. It is the source of constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for life is compassion, which is a prerequisite for understanding.)

(Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1)

Ghandiji said; "Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his species. The cow to me means the entire subhuman world. Man through the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian (and others), mankind.



We should cultivate certain desirable practices. For instance we should regulate our diet, because one’s food influences one’s thoughts. Eating animal food promotes animal tendencies. Those who take to the spiritual path should avoid as much as possible bad practices. There is no meaning in professing to respect human values without observing the rule that you should cause NO HARM to others in any form whatsoever."

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"And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for MEAT!" Genesis 1:29. Many terms in the Bible have been mistranslated, for whatever reason. The word food has been translated as meat and as flesh even, this is to give the impression that Jesus was a meat eater. It’s interesting that in Scotland today the word meat can mean food generally, not just animal flesh. Also the word for wine mostly means unfermented grape-juice, or Must, which was what the Essenes used

"Thou shall not kill"....Bible, Ten Commandments. lo tirtzach—not kill anything.

"He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man".....Isaiah 66:3

The first of Buddhism’s Ten Precepts is, "Refrain from destroying life."

The Mahabharata, warns "Those who kill and eat cows will rot in hell for as many years as there are hairs on the slaughtered cow, "and "What greater cruelty and selfishness than to increase the flesh of one’s body by eating the flesh of innocent creatures?"

I don’t know whether you can take the Mahabharata literally but the inference is there.

If one can grasp that "all is one", then harming a being that can feel pain is harming oneself. As seekers on the spiritual path, we should avoid being responsible for other’s pain, animal or not.

. On another note, what kind of insensitivity and lack of conscious awareness, or rather conscience, allows an animal to suffer for an unholy human desire, that one hasn’t the courage or willpower to overcome. One is reduced to a state less than the animal, for even an animal keeps it’s desires in season. This was my thought about myself and I couldn’t live with that, and that is why, after reading Maxims, "in the back of a book on Hindu Spirituality," I became a vegetarian immediately. Sakti also gave me a dream, where I experienced being a cow that was led to slaughter.

The morning that I gave up eating meat I had a dream that was the
catalyst. I was visiting some family members in Sydney and I was on
Bondi Beach, I like surfing. I ate a hamburger and then fell asleep
on the beach during which time, I was given a dream. In this dream I
was actually a cow or steer or whatever, bovine anyway.
I was in the slaughterhouse, and was terrified by the cries of the
other animals waiting to go up before the human killer. The stench of blood and faeces assailed by rather large nostrils and my eyes
rolled in utter panic and fear in my head. I looked around for
someone I knew but I was alone amongst all these terrified
animals.My panic grew as I was forced between a row of gates and
down a slippy path full of blood, faeces and urine. I hesitated and
was prodded with an electric prod to make me move forward into this
tight space. Eventually I was in a kind of giant manacle which held
my head for the human killer. I was terrified and so were all the
other cattle for we knew, yes we knew.
At his point I awoke on the beach repeating 'My God they know', they
know they are going to be killed so cruelly. At that point I
resolved never to be an accomplice to the greatest holocaust of all
time, and I became a vegetarian. I'm a slow learner you see!!
There are no excuses or alibis, religious or otherwise, for "spiritual seekers, "to be meat eaters; it is also injurious to health, check out "mad cow disease or hamburger disease, or chicken flu. If you eat meat you will get animal diseases."

However as a last note, if one is a vegetarian one shouldn’t be smug about our meat eating brother or sister. I am not claiming to be a superior being and no doubt have as many desires as the next person. However I have overcome eating meat with Sakti’s Grace. You can too, if you are still a meat-eater. However you must have the belief and desire to do so, many people see nothing wrong at all in eating meat, it is their choice.

"Ananyaaschinthayantho Maam Ye Janaah Paryupaasathe Theshaam Nithyaabhiyukthaanaam Yogakshemam Vahamyaham."

"Whoever surrenders to The Lord, The Lord will take on his/her yogakshemam and provide for him/her." The Gita.9:22.

"

,
"The great sage Yagnavalkya ,in his Yagnavalkyasmiti stated that
three ghastly crimes are committed by slaughtering animals for the
sake of eating their flesh.

These are :
(1)the taking of innocent life;

(2)the infliction of pain on the innocent animal during the process
of killing it;and

(3)the crime of depriving the animal of its strength through
slaughtering it.

Punishment for all three crimes entails twenty rebirths
characterised by premature and painful death in the first;

pain ,suffering and unhappiness,including family feuds,anxiety and
tensions in the second;

poor health in which the life of the person concerned will be wasted
away,in the third."

INDIRA RADHAN. MAY 1996.

Thought itself is the problem, the impediment.

Thought itself is the problem, the impediment. One has to separate thought from mind/ego. Stop the ego stringing thoughts along the sutra of the ego. Breath control can help as it controls the prana. Meditating on one thought can open the door to beyond functional thought. Never mind worrying about 'mind awareness' and being in the 'mind now', go right to the source. Use the juncture of nose and lip concentrate there as thoughts arise dismiss them.This gives you the insight to the unreality of thought, but you are stripping the ego and it will react to protect itself. The ego will not always pretend to be non existent and give an illusion of non duality.It has to be occupied so one can use exercises like Japa, so the monkey mind is trapped.. As monkeys are caught with pots that once the put their hand into, to get the treat, they are caught. Why because like the mind the monkey won't let go of the treat so is trapped by its own desire or vasana..Eventually the mind will be trained and that is the door to NirVikalpa Samadhi. However the gap between Kevala Nirvikalpa and Sahaja Nirvikalpa/Moksha is huge. Somewhat getting to a stage where you know what a king is and have even put on the crown temporarily but that doesn't make you a king.

The knowledge now flows back in the reverse direction-through the levels of the mind, becoming Vidya Knowledge or Prajna helping to purify and cleanse the vasanas and desire/drives until one moves from Kevala to Sahaja.

Verbal non dualists and the ego...You're so vain you probably think this post is about you....

Verbal non dualists and the ego...You're so vain you probably think this post is about you....
by Tony O'Clery on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 7:09am

The thief in the palace pretending to be the policeman, develops complete theories and dissertations that deny its own existence. For it feels worthwhile and its existence is validated, for it is the sutra that all non dual thoughts and ideas are strung on. It an even create a space of 'no thought' but it is observing itself quietly. Reverting back to the original illusory ego before thoughts were strung on it. It is close like deep sleep, which is actually a continuous thought of nothing. An apparent empty non dual space that to the uninitiated appears to be 'realisation' or the space between thoughts. Beyond deep sleep a true silence lies, but the sutra is lying there.not the true silence but...the ahamkara/ego...It is not true silence and loves the coarse sound of speech and words for then people cannot see the forest for the trees...............

We are looking for love in all the wrong places.

We are looking for love in all the wrong places.
by Tony O'Clery on Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 6:47am

We are looking for love in all the wrong places....like looking for lost glasses which all the time are on our heads..The human simian due to the distorted ego looks only for pleasure and validation of its existence..All have a love as that is what we are but it is veiled by desires, desire for pleasure in all forms...The animal looks for what it needs the human looks for what it doesn't need...We look for love in our children, wives, families and friends but we are competing with their own egos looking for pleasure also...all human love is conditional....even helping others is for oneself...for the ego gets pleasure from helping, and validation of its illusory existence.. Love is within,,,we can touch it through meditation..it is not outside for all love outside is tainted with the ego seeking pleasure....This why Bhakti is a more simpler path than Jnana or wisdom, as it projects the need on to a 'godform' that is outside but eventually becomes inside so to speak...We can only get transitory attachments outside as the other egos are also looking for love objectively, the ego looking for pleasure...It is hard for people new on the path especially to accept that most of the love they give and accept is really mostly attachment and seeking for pleasure.. Once we make the decision not to look for pleasure but to look within for Love...we are on the right track to real Love...

Verbal non dualists and the ego

Verbal non dualists and the ego...You're so vain you probably think this post is about you....
by Tony O'Clery on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 7:09am

The thief in the palace pretending to be the policeman, develops complete theories and dissertations that deny its own existence. For it feels worthwhile and its existence is validated, for it is the sutra that all non dual thoughts and ideas are strung on. It an even create a space of 'no thought' but it is observing itself quietly. Reverting back to the original illusory ego before thoughts were strung on it. It is close like deep sleep, which is actually a continuous thought of nothing. An apparent empty non dual space that to the uninitiated appears to be 'realisation' or the space between thoughts. Beyond deep sleep a true silence lies, but the sutra is lying there.not the true silence but...the ahamkara/ego...It is not true silence and loves the coarse sound of speech and words for then people cannot see the forest for the trees...............

WEst versus east and how the greeks screwed up

WEst versus east and how the greeks screwed up.

Verbal Non dualists and neo advs are hooked into the Mind in a western way, as that is what they know...Blame the latter day ancient Greek philosophers that put so much importance to the mind, which to this day is the foundation of Western thought...In the East the mind is something to be discounted and is regarded as THE impediment, not something to be extolled but to be used as a thorn to remove a thorn. This is why these western non dualists work on integrating and balancing the mind.....and this is popular and possible for those who cannot imagine no mind....So they end up with a non dual mind but not liberation as that is beyond the mind....all they have is the thief pretending to be a policeman. The level of non duality they reach is not liberation and is false and deceiving and only leads to rebirth....



This is so ingrained in Western thought that it is impossible for neo advaitins and vndists or verbal non dualists...to proceed..As they do not take to sadhana and the removal of vasanas ......So they are caught on a cycle as they are not aware of where they are at and that drives, desires as vasanas are subconscious. It necessary to do some practise or sadhana to the lower mind...and subconscious can be purified............For if the mind is an orange then the daily mind and conscious mind are only the shine on the outside of the orange not even the skin...

This is why if you look on FB you will see many younger people caught up as vndists...as it is instant gratification, no digging is required and they have a mind that can start talking and expounding immediately.



The reason many true gurus or Sadgurus or Jnanis..use silence it to by-pass the mind, and use the more subtle. Humans have developed frontal lobes which are for speech and act as a hard drive to divert the mind to the material and daily modern life. Then words become the binary numbers of the frontal lobes and the circle goes on.