Advaita Vedanta Ajativada
DVAITA MEANS NOT TWO IN SANSKRIT. So the philosophy is that 'ALL IS ONE'; MAN, ANIMALS, VEGETABLES, MINERALS. There are varying theories or degrees of understanding with Advaita.
1. That somebody or something-God, created the world.
2. That it arises as the same time as we perceive it.
3. Finally Ajativada, that it never happened at all...
“The Advaita :
"brahmAkAratayA sadA sthitatayA nirmukta-bAhyArtha-dhIH anyAvedita-bhogya-bhoga-kalano nidrAluvat bAlavat / svapnAlokita-lokavat jagad-idaM pashyan kvacin-labdha-dhIH Aste kashcid ananta-puNya-phala-bhuk dhanyaH sa mAnyo bhuvi //" (Viveka-chudamani: Verse #426)
On account of constant absorption in Brahman, freed from the sense of reality of external objects, only seemingly enjoying them when offered by others, like a sleepy baby, perceiving the world as that seen in a dream and recognising it only now and then, such a man is indeed rare. He is the enjoyer of the fruits of untold merit and is truly held blessed and revered on earth.
AJATIVADA means the the creation which we see has never been created at all. It is an illusion and is not really there. They say that even the effort to find out how this creation has come about is a compromise - it reveals ignorance of the truth. The above two vadas start with a presumption of taking the world to be really there, which itself may be baseless. To start any process of understanding with a possibly wrong & baseless presumption is obviously not the right way of enquiry. Strangely enough if we start this enquiry whether the creation is really there or not then we get astounding results : it is seen that it does not have any independent existence at all. This is what the drishti-shrishti-vadins too subsequently prove. If this is a fact then why waste time to prove creation of something which is not really there. To temporarily accept a falsehood is not compassion but a compromise and wrong, and has all the consequences of other falsehood. Truth should be declared as truthfully as possible - in its raw form. The entire effort of the Ajata-vadins is the communicate how the creation has never come about and therefore is just an illusion. It is only after the realisation of the complete ephemerality & illusoriness of the creation that even the thoughts of it are naturally effaced and when the creation stands totally negated in this way then alone the ever- existent & self-effulgent reality becomes evident & revealed. So Ajatavada which has been revealed by the Mandukya Upanishad and explained in texts like Yoga Vasishta is the ideal way of looking at the world which is conducive & compatible to awakening to the transcendental truth. The Ajatavada is not basically designed even for the knowledge of Self, it is a fact by itself, and the knowledge of Self follows the right knowledge of that which obstructs our complete attention of the truth, namely the right knowledge of truth of the creation.......Swami Atmananda."
It seems to me that even to take the world or creation as a projection or appearance is incorrect. This implies that there are two beings Brahman and the Jiva or viewer of the illusion. Brahman has allowed this son of a barren woman to have some validity to itself as the Jiva only. Brahman and Jiva being one!
For if this creation ultmately had some validity it would not disappear on Moksha and dropping the body. However it does it seems disappear as never having happened in the first place.
This means it is not even an appearance and can only be viewed because the Jiva is Brahman. It never happened at all.
It seems that much is ascribed to Sankara that perhaps he didn't write. However the Brahma Sutra and commentaries are more than likely his. Sankara at the time was refuting Buddhism as most people couldn't understand it and thought it was atheism, or somthing similar. So IMO Sankara, like all sages taught at several levels. Which means at each level it is appropriate and true to the audience, like Ramana for example.
Therefore it is my opinion that Sankara taught Ajatavada as well as Vivartavada. Hoever the ultimate Truth must be Ajatavada, for nothing is unfolding. There is no question of non existence becoming existence for it never happened at all. There is no existence or pre existence and at the same time it is only a void in the fact that it is not pre existent, unfolding or manifest.
There is no substratum, otherwise it would still exist on the death of the body/mind in a Mukta and it is said by Sages not to exist.
It is not possible to understand Nirguna so we only have to drop the veil. This is very difficult for people on the Bhakti path or even on the Jnani Path of Saguna Brahman. Sometimes we just have to accept the fact that we cannot understand everything with a finite mind. Eventually we have to let go of the fear and the comfort of Saguna. Buddha didn't teach complete void anyway. He said there was an unmanifest an unbecoming.
It seems to me that taking into account of what is said by Jivanmuktas there is nothing happening at all, for it is all only associated with the body and mind. So I would plump for Sankara's teaching being ultimately Ajatavada for that is the state of the Jivanmukta, at death.
Advaita is based on the principle of the pre-existence of the effect in the cause. CN:-Cee; wrote: "This being the case, the term 'vivartavada' more appropriately describes the Advaita position of 'non-creation'than does the term 'ajativada'.Why?The term 'vivarta' indicates an 'unfolding'. What is it that unfoldsin creation? It is not possible for the non-existent to come intoexistence. What comes into existence must necessarily be alreadyexisting. When a thing that is not manifested is said to be non-existing, it is only covered over, as it were. Therefore, its
cominginto being is the showing forth of the already existent – aphenomenon that the word 'unfolding' describes better than a word
having the connotation of voidness. The instrument of unfolding isspeech (indicating that an insight into the nature of speech isimportant for the understanding of Advaita Vedanta). The unfoldingdoes not truly create anything new, but only shows forth names andforms that are eternally one with Brahman. To echo the Acharya's words: "Just as Brahman, the cause is never without existence in
all the three periods of time, so also the universe, which is the effect, never parts with Existence in all the three periods." Therefore there is no creation in the absolute sense; there is only the magic of 'Leela' (sport) played out in the realm of names and forms resting on the substratum of Brahman with which they are One. (To see the mystery of Oneness requires ratio - reason - to return to the cave of the heart from which it originated.)" The word 'vivarta' implies a substratum out of which the world unfolds, whereas the word 'ajati' implies a voidness of things.Still, the term 'ajativada' may be employed in a certain sense forexplaining the Advaita position. The world seen by the ajnyani(ignorant) is false because it is seen divested of the Self that
is...Vivarta, as per Monnier Williams Dictionary, means:
(in Veda7nta) error , illusion , an apparent or illusory form , unreality (caused by A-vidya1 "' , ignorance "' , and removed by Vidya1 , `" true knowledge ) Veda7ntas.
Other meanings for the word, as per the same source, are:
changing from one state to another , modification , alteration , transformation , altered form or condition Ka1v. Katha1s
{-vAda} m. a method of asserting the Vedanta doctrine (maintaining the development of the Universe from Brahma as the sole real entity , the phenomenal world being held to be a mere illusion or Ma1ya1 ; cf. %{pariNAma-vAdA})
In my way of thinking Vivarta is an illusion, that is only evident in delusion.
There is no time so everything seemingly happens at once so nothing is unfolding or being projected.
In deep sleep or sushupti the world disappears, except for a thought of existence in the jiva.
The Sages say when one becomes realised the world becomes then an appearance on the Self/Saguna.
However when the body drops there is no appearance, no reason for Saguna only Nirguna. This is why I said that Sankara taught Ajatavada in his ultimate teachings. Even though at some levels to some audiences he also taught vivartavada, as valid to a certain degree. Sankara also said it is real whilst one is in it, inferring that it isn't real when one is not in it.
It is hard to accept the idea of Nirguna, for some it is disturbing and frightening and to others it is just incomprehensible.
One will never be able to understand it, only rise above it all.
We have the illusion of individuality like whirlpools in the ocean. We bring ourselves to the point where we can accept all is one, and we are That.
However creation disappears on realisation, well at dropping the body anyway. In the meantime all is seen as one Self.
This also must be an illusion for the Self associated with the dream disappears with the dream.
Therefore the Ajata theory comes forth, that it never happened in the first place and there is only Nirguna or non attributeless Brahman.
This is the first and the last step, this is the alpha and omega..............
Mandukya Upanishad … by Swami Atmananda Mandukya Upanishad is an Upanishad found in the Atharvana Veda. It is basically one of the smallest Upanishad containing only 12 mantras, yet it is one of the most respected and important Upanishad. Before the advent of Sri Adi Sankara his paramguru Sri Gaudapadacharya wrote a commentary called Karika on this Upanishad. This Karika has become so important and famous that today it is seen as a part of the Mandukya Upanishad itself. Sri Sankara thus wrote his Bhashya on both the Upanishad and Karika shlokas as a single text.
There are two things extremely famous about this Upanishad. One this Upanishad reveals the methodology of realising Brahman as OM. OM is revealed both as the end and the means. It is verily a commentary on OM. The viveka which is followed to discern the truth is the 'Awastha-traya-viveka' i.e. discrimination based on the three states of consciousness. Secondly this Upanishad has in it one of the four Mahavakyas which have been choosen from the four Vedas. "Ayam Atma Brahma" i.e. This Atma alone is Brahman. In Muktiko Upanishad we have the briefest and yet the most glorious review on Mandukya wherein it is said that "Mandukya alone is sufficient for an aspirant to reach liberation" (Mandukyam ekam kevalam mumukshunaam vimuktaye).
The Upanishad along with Karikas (total of 215 shlokas) is divided into four chapters called Prakaranas. The Agama Prakarana (has 12 mantras & 29 shlokas of Karika), Vaithathya Prakarana (has 38 shlokas), Advaita Prakarana (has 48 shlokas), and the Alatshanti Prakarana (has100 shlokas). The first chapter contains all the twelve original mantras, and the non-dual reality has been revealed here purely on the basis of the scripture. From second prakarana onwards we have an independent commentary on these mantras. In the Vaithathya Prakarana we have Sri Gaudapadacharya revealing the world as ephemeral. by equating the waking state to the dream state. The approach is purely logical. In the third i.e. the Advaita Prakarana we have the teacher revealing the non-dual reality again purely on the basis of logic and then also validating it by appropriate scriptural statements. In the last chapter called Alata-shanti prakarana, we have not only the summarisation of the entire book but also some unique things. In this chapter the Theory of Causality is shattered to pieces, the illusiory world is compared to a rotating firebrand which presents illusions of circles which are not really there, and the Self is thus revealed as the one non-dual reality itself, free from all cause-effect relationships.
One thing which has become a hallmark of this Upanishad is the Theory of Ajatavada. Normally some scriptures give some theory of creation, only to later prove the creation to be ephemeral, while here Gaudapada appears to be very uncompromising. He doesnt like going the longer way, he declares right from the beginning itself that there is no creation whatsoever. He considers the compassionate effort of some to temporarily accept the creation as a compromise. He thunders the raw truth uncompromisingly. My edited entry on Wikipedia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta_Ajativada
Friday, July 28, 2006
My escape from the spiders.
My escape from the spiders! Escaping the web of Sathya Sai Baba! 1st January, 2000.
I write this whilst it is still fresh in my mind. I have just left the Sai Baba organisation and in
fact Sai Baba. I came to this decision after trying to cleverly and rudely refute Anti-Sai
people. In order to do this I needed to do my own research on their allegations of
cheating, trickery, lies, conjuring and sexual impropriety. As a result of my research and
also after receiving emails from present devotees and others, I decided that the weight of
evidence pointed to the fact that Sai Baba was in the least a cheat, and a fraud. Some of
my emails independently backed up statements that were made by the Swedish boy, who
was allegedly molested in some way. One was from a lady who came across a distraught
girl in Prashanti, and found out she was unhappy for Sai had molested her friend allegedly,
the girl was a Swede! This was independent information from an existing devotee, apart
from what Conny Larsson is saying. There is a Swedish magazine coming out with all the
details in from the boys and Conny in mid-January. It is called Sokaren! There was also
overwhelming evidence of homosexual touching from present devotees even. Some may
be ‘tantric healing’, some seems to go further allegedly.
Some email received whilst I was still a devotee:
"Dear Tony, i have been following the controversy on Yahoo's SB discussion page. I am
particularly surprised about David Bailey's new stance. I have heard of sexual stuff and
SB for years - but never took it seriously. However, this time I am paying more attention.
I was in India when a Swedish girl i met came up to me distressed. Her close friend had
told her that SB acted out sexually with him. She would not give me details, but told me
that he was going public in Sweden. I think it is the young man mentioned on this site. Of
course, my information is second hand also. I have been a follower of SB for 9 years. I
have always had doubts but continued to travel to India and try to follow his teachings.
My interaction with Swami has definately changed my life.
At this time, however, I am concerned that these "rumors" may be true. I am surprised
about my lack of emotion about the subject. I had my "shock" early on in my involvement
with SB when I saw him pull a watch out of his chair cushion and "manifest" it. I was
devasted. I had put all my trust in him. He was my "savior". But then, I calmed down over
the years and realized that I need to rely on my "inner swami". That may be why i am not
so upset about these acusations - my not feeling betrayed or fooled or whatever. I see
that watch incident as a gift and feel it made me stronger. There are so many acusations
about molestation and sexual abuse that I have to wonder if they are true. I agree with
you - that there needs to be some sort of investigation into the acuracy of these charges.
there can never be proof - it can only be SB's word against the boy's. There has been so
much molestation in churches and by guru's that it doesn't seem so far fetched.
I am afraid that this time I do feel like I must distance myself from SB. I am cancelling my
trip in January. I feel it is beyond me to comprehend who SB is. I have no doubt that he
has powers like bi-location - but I have read about others who do not claim to be great
avatars who had similar powers. He may just be very gifted by having such paranormal
abilities. I know you love SB very much and this must be difficult for you. I admire how
you hang in there and come to his defence. I hope with all my heart that you are right. My
husband is curious that I would let rumors affect my personal experiences. He has also
pointed out that certain wealthy, close-to-Baba Indian families that we know- would not
send their son's to Swami's school if these rumors were true. We also have students from
swami's school in our center - don't you think they would be aware of this type of thing? I
guess my husband's point is not to get too excited about this unless there is some proof
available. Even when David says that there are investigations going on in England - I
wonder - how does he know this? Has he been contacted by the authorities personally or
has he "heard" this from others? The danger of the Internet is that so much information is
passed on and there is no possibility of knowing it's quality. I am also curious about what
personal experience Faye had - kissing and french kissing? who? her son? None of this is
very clear. I don't know what to think about the young man in sweden. I don't know him -
I have no way of knowing how stable he is.
Do you know Al Drucker. I have reason to
believe he could shed some light on this. I hope you know how to contact him - I don't. I
hope you don't mind my e-mailing you. I don't like public forums. Take care, M."
"Dear Tony, Thanks for replying. I guess I am grasping at straws!! I have heard all this
stuff before, but not so intensely. I am particularly taken with David's accounts -
everything I have ever heard before was second hand (including the friend of the boy in
Sweden). My inclination is to distance myself from SB at this time - keeping in mind that i
have benefited greatly from my association with him. Again, for some reason I am pretty
calm about all this. If the "truth" comes out and Swami is innocent of all these charges - I
can make my way back - if so inclined. I don't feel it is an issue of loyalty - but of being
true to ones intuition and conscience. I don't feel this is a battle I need to get involved in to
any great extent. However, I have always been curious about Al Drucker's take on these
matters. I believe that he has remained a devotee despite these allegations or perhaps
"facts". I'm curious how he comes to term with the possibility of sexual acting out on the
part of SB. If you get any answers - please let me know. I wish you well. You are a
courageous soul. M."
With regard to the so-called miracle gifts. Sai even says himself that he doesn’t materialise
all the time check ch 14 of ‘Holyman and Psychiatrist’, by S. Sandweiss. However this is
just a convenient escape clause for the impression he gives is that he is materialising
everything. Sandweiss even gives an account of Sai palming Japamalas, but explains it
away as some type of test.
" Swami creates some objects in just the same way that he
created the Universe. Certain other objects are brought from where they were." Swami, p
122, Ch 13 HMAP, Sathya Sai Trust, 1975.
Also Sandweiss wrote this;
'I said to myself ah ha, I bet Baba is going to create a Japamala for Jeff. As I watched him, He brought out from behind His back in His left hand what indeed appeared to be a Japamala. He continued speaking to Jeff and it seemed to me that nobody else was looking at His left hand, that I was the only one who noticed it ……etc etc ". Sandweiss p 137, Ch 14. .
There are many other quotes including one where an author talks about the presence of
Devas at a major materialisation. Evidence from many videos indicates that much of what
he does is conjuring and sleight of hand. His uncle was a tantric conjurer but they didn’t
have videos in those days. I am talking about the Gurubusters video, the 1993
presentation to the hospital builders or architects, the 1996 Xmas Small Bible video, the
presentation to the Prime Minister video, God lives in India and more, where the sleight of
hand is obvious. So it had to be faced that if this had to be done then he couldn’t be who
he says he is---the Avatar. Never mind the allegations of sexual touching or whatever.
Also the many contradictions in his statements and taking different positions at different
times worried me for it indicated something less than omniscience. The test was could I
see Shirdi, Maharshi, Maharaj, or even Jesus doing this? The answer was no, so Sai
couldn’t be an Avatar.
The different versions about the murders in 1993, also had me worried. For if he was the
Avatar how come he let all those people die? His assistant Rahdhakrishna Menon was
supposedly ratting on people embezzling. Then four assasins get in with knives and
swords on to the verandah? The murderers of Menon are killed in turn, which seems
more than convenient to me. My question is where they shot after they were dead or
what, there are many questions unanswered.
Now I am not saying that he didn’t have powers/siddhis or that he still may have some. I
feel they are diminishing as he ages or are being conserved for some reason?? I have
experienced myself, his power of astral travelling and other subtle siddhis that he has. So
have members of my family on many occasions. They however do not indicate Divinity,
but an Astral Being. What about the vibhuti and other manifestations in people’s homes,
including some strange things in my own home. Well Sai doesn’t claim ownership of these
he just says it is due to the devotees devotion. In other words it is kinetic from some level
of the devotees mind. In other heavy manifestations I suspect the aid of spirits, as well. So
you see I am not a sceptic totally or a rationalist. Some may be outright fraud as well of
course.
How did I get in this mess? Well it seems I was recruited unbeknowns to me. One
morning at Bondi Beach in Sydney, I ate a hamburger. Well I fell asleep on the beach and
dreamed that I was a cow going to slaughter, and knew what was happening. This was
very vivid and was accompanied by the sense of terror, smells etc. On awakening I said.’
They know they are going to die cruelly’, and at that time I decided to become a
vegetarian. Later in the day, I was in the Theosophical bookshop browsing around, as
was my habit. For I was reading a lot of stuff about Huna, the Sufis, Meditation, Edgar
Cayce etc. I had also stopped drinking some nine months before after taking up
meditation. As I moved along the shelves I came across some books of Sai Baba that
were displayed covers flat out. I was looking at this Jimmy Hendrix looking character
when a clerk asked me if I was interested in this Baba. I asked who he was and she gave
me a quick description and then asked would I like to buy a book. She said she could get
me a cheaper one from the back as a clerk was a devotee. So she got me Sandweiss’s,
‘Holyman and the Psychiatrist’, for only $6 or so in 1985.( Of course when I was still a
devotee I translated this as he working through the girl and leading me to the books etc. I
was being personally chosen.) I read the maxims, including vegetarianism, and decided
that this Sai Baba must be a real live ‘High Self’, or Aumakua in Hawaiian Huna. I took it
on face value and the girl had given me the address of a Centre, Sara Pavan’s
Mirrabrook. So the next week I went and was given a medal to wear. I returned to
Vancouver the next week and joined the group here, who were mainly Hindus. Of course
they reinforced all the ideas about being individually called by Baba and I had hardly time
to think about anything. I was in hook line and sinker! My wife refused to have anything
to do with it but I took the kids to the ‘Sunday School’, where they learnt the message
and all about Indian Gods and nothing about Moses, Mohammed, Jesus, Nanak or
anybody else. I thought this was strange for that isn’t what Sai said things should be.
Anyway I liked languages so I soon learnt how to sing in Sanskrit, I was converted. I was
now suffering from ‘true believer syndrome’.
I went back and forth a few times to Australia and we all continued in the society. All the
time I was being encouraged, told stories of miracles constantly, which I duly passed on.
Even my wife was regarded as a potential threat and commisserations were extended me
as she wasn’t a devotee. I was well into the ‘True believer syndrome’, even had a little
shrine and everything plus pictures all over the place. We were told to ignore any
negatives, as that would prove we had a doubt. ‘You don’t have a doubt do you?’
Everyone seemed to think they were specially selected and wanted to teach everybody
about it all. At one point in 1987 I was appointed Secretary by default for the favoured
candidate didn’t turn up for the election/selection. Some time later the President and the
treasurer took me into a little room and showed me a legal file. This was either a court
document or a lawyers copy. It was all about the misdeeds and charges against a member
who it seemed was accosting female members. I was surprised they had such a document
and asked where they got it. They answered from someone in the system. I wondered
who else they had files on, but I dismissed it as all Swami’s will and his work. I visited
Prashanti and was allowed to touch his feet, Padanamaskar,( a great honour), plus talk to
him in the darshan line, and get something touched and blessed by him. I didn’t go inside
for I was by myself on both occasions. I stayed nearly a month each time, so I was well
familiar with the goings on.
However after a couple of years I took down the shrine but kept the pictures up. I had
discovered Sri Ramana Maharshi, and Vivekananda so I was tending toward the Jnana or
Knowledge Path. However I was still hooked into Sai Baba as an Avatar even if I now
understood we were both God. I believed his consciousness was in union with the
Universal and mine wasn’t. I still started with his image in meditation before going
formless. I was a true believing devotee. I had heard the negative stories and dismissed
them as lies of course. It wasn’t until much later when videos started to circulate that other
questions arose. I dismissed these as well including the Gurubuster phony materialisation.
There are none so blind as those that won’t see!! Even the junky and shoddy nature of
some of the materialisations didn’t wake me up. I continued on, even ending up giving
talks and speeches in the Centres and I was very active on the internet and Sainet. I was
probably their most prolific poster, I was doing work for Sai. I even took time out and
wrote a couple of books which, as it happened didn’t yet get published and now are just
paper. Apart from this I had several articles published in Sai magazines around the world.
I was doing well but they still didn’t trust me. In fact I stopped giving talks after the
Secretary said that I had to submit my talks for approval. The excuse being that some of
my stuff was too early for the minds of the newer devotees and it might frighten them! The executive of course suspected that I was going to wake up to this scam which they
obviously already knew about, but stayed in for position and power and just ego.
The President had been with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of T.M. fame previously. So he
was well versed in the management of a cult, even went with his wife to the school in
Switzerland. I was starting to wonder about the relationship in Canada with the Visva
Hindu Parishad and the Sai-Org. As many prominent Indians, including officers, were
members, even participating on the shrine/altar etc. The VHP was banned in India by
Prime Minister N.Rao ,a devotee, and their members imprisoned after the mosque at
Ayodhya was sacked resulting in thousands of deaths around the country. Even though it
was a proscribed organisation the members in Canada were still attending and Sai
functions were held at the Parishad Hall. Also as nobody seemed to take any notice of
Baba’s orders for including local language, songs, and culture, I wondered!! These were
prominent Hindu people and here they are ignoring the Avatar. Perhaps they knew
something that I didn’t.
Now every Saturday, I used to do service work giving out books
and videos from our Centre library. I noticed how the co-ordinators would sidle up to
hear what you were telling visitors or what the conversation was. On one occasion
someone brought in Scallions future map and this caused a big fuss. One guy was actually
told to throw the holder out of the Centre! There was much fuss and people saying we
are devotees Sai will save us from any disasters. The next week the ‘thought police’, in
the form of the President, and the V.P. , came in to check if anybody was talking about ‘
Earthchanges’, or any other non-Sai stuff! They were strutting around showing the flag
and trying to intimidate the devotees.
As time went on I started to notice that videos were going missing or were ‘out’, a long
time. I later found out that they were the videos which showed Sai palming and conjuring
his phony materialisations, like the little Bible etc. I never really questioned anything for
being a devotee entailed complete surrender to the Guru. I am surprised at myself, now
that I have again become myself, and can look back objectively. I, like all, believed his
presence was with us watching all the time, guiding and protecting. I believed he was
talking to me all the time.
With regard to collecting money, there was a box at the back of
the Centre for people to donate to the Sai Trust. Also many N.R.I.s donated large somes
privately to acquire good karma. The Sai-Org organ the Sanathana Sarathi also
advertises for tax dedutible donations as well. So money is collected on a grand scale
even though they say they don’t ask for money or preach like other religious groups. Of
course there was the Seva or service work that was performed but it was never
overwhelming. Worshipping activities were always the most important. These were
usually elaborate functions including food with no expenses spared. Hiring big halls and
erecting big altars. All for the worship and glorification of Sai. Just one function would
have fed many unfortunates but then the officers wouldn’t have the opportunity to give
speeches, grandstand and feed their egos. Everything was of an exremely fundamentalist
Hindu nature with barely even lip-service to other beliefs.
I was never asked to sing at these functions although I was good enough to be the ‘token
Westerner’, singing in Sanskrit on the main day Thursday. The other groups such as the
Japanese, Chinese, and English were segregated out and relegated to other nights. Most
of the controversial teachings were never taught, so as not to upset the members. Quantity
was far more important than quality! There was never any real pressure to keep devotees
but then who is going to leave God? Sai has said it is an opportunity that comes along
only every few thousand years and it would be just our fate to not utilise it. What kind of
bad karma would that bring? It is all like a common mind or shared ego. It is primitive and tribal and even similar to how animals share their minds and instincts. It is like a computer programme that is shared by many, and if that is the only programme you have, that is what one plays. The ego becomes attached to the programme for thoughts are things and they become posessions.
We all thought we belonged to an exclusive group that had been individually called by the
great Avatar. This imparted an incredible pressure and instilled an even more incredible
arrogance. Even as a devotee, I was fed up with idiots coming up to me and telling me the
wisdom of the ages. Usually a fundamentalist who thought Sai talked through him. They all
felt superior to non-devotees the misguided members of other religions. Of course the
usual lip-service was given about all being one and God has many names, but they all
knew it was Sai Baba really. A name that Sathyanarayana Raju had given himself.
Probably because there were millions of ready made Shirdi Baba devotees. Many of
these could be persuaded to follow a real life version of their Guru. It is all very strange
how normal people come in pranaming to pictures of Sai Baba and the mixture, elephant
headed God Ganesha. They do this to increase the sense of belonging and this why they
adopt Saris and Indian dress. Sai-Org is really aimed at India but these Westerners
coerce themselves. Most of them would not know any Vedanta at all. It is all tribal
manipulation and human inadequacy. The need to belong seems to be a basic human
instinct and leaves one open to exploitation. Especially in the West where there is a
spiritual vacuum. Also most of the Centres are highly politicised and full of ego
competition, not really spiritual at all. So there were all the personal agendas needing to
keep control as well. This isn’t exclusive to Sai-Org, many religions and cults are very
similar. For some reason attending group functions seems to have not only a binding effect
but a blocking effect as well. Take my own case for example; before I came across the
yahoo club I had already walked out of the centre, some time before. I still considered
myself a devotee but not a member of Sai-Org anymore. As soon as I freed myself from
the reinforcing vibrations, my thinking started to ‘free-up’, so to speak. The mind has a
tendency to go out and grasp, so overcompensating ,( to eliminate its other aspect,
‘doubt’), seems to result in self-deception/attachment. I had the advantage of being a bit
of a rebel anyway. This freed me from the Sai-Org, but freeing myself from Sai Baba was
like a divorce or grieving over a death. Perhaps like a nervous breakdown. It is all the
true believer syndrome, and one has to live through the destruction of ones future before
the new future starts to manifest.
However the first morning that I awoke free, I was happy and relaxed and back to my
old jolly Irish self. It must have been a strain for me to be a devotee. My personality was
not similar to the other devotees at all for I was extremely extroverted. I was perhaps
trying to fill a hole in my life. Perhaps my childhood and my bad experiences with the
Catholic Church, for I had walked out of that also. I was actually reading the Sufis and
wanted to sit around with a group of mystics, that brought me to Sai Baba…..Some
mystical group!! The Sai-Org was a fundamentalist group, which I really didn’t appreciate
until I had left. Then I realised it was all about numbers and the lowest common
denominator. No wonder I, as an aspiring Jnani was looked upon with suspicion. It also
explains why Sai is contradictory in his teachings, keep everyone in whilst the money is
coming. I believe that most if not all of the executives in the Sai-Org are aware of the truth
but are willing participants. For it is another Sect/Cult with wide open opportunities for
advancement. There are many Tammy and Fayes around and other religious frauds. It is
strange that even now that I write against him. People write me and tell me that I am doing
his work, playing a role in this leela/play. The mental gymnastics of devotees never will
cease to amaze me. I am sceptical but I am not a true sceptic/rationalist for I have
experienced too much of Sai Baba and other stuff on the subtle planes, I believe in the
occult.
I know that he is an Astral Being of some kind, a Deva or Asura or even Fallen Angel. A Bhrashta or fallen yogi probably would be a better description of him.
Thessalonians 2 in the New Testament writing on the Anti-Christ seem to fit him quite
well. Saint Paul( Saul of Tarsus, studied under Gamaliel), in his letters obviously peered
into the eternal now. I am not getting hysterical here, for Anti-Christ has many meanings.
"The wicked one will come with the power of Satan,( I translate this as Ego-T) and
perform all kinds of false miracles and wonders. 2:10. Thess. "He will even go in and sit
down in God’s Temple and claim to be God." 2:4. Thess. Sai Baba has said and done
both of the above!!!!!!!!!Over and over again.
Even in the birthday discoures of 23-11-99 he says that people shouldn’t be ashamed to say they are going to Puttaparthi to see God! Combine that with his proven phony materialisation miracles on video and it all fits???? ‘True-believer syndrome’ The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceed not only logic but, seemingly, even sanity. --The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher
The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it that compels a person,
past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. How can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, an imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the harder? --M. Lamar Keene
One of the greatest tragedies in all of this; is the amount of people that have family
problems, lose spouses, lose businesses, all for this Sai-Org. The purpose being to get
money to India, where it translates into power and influence. All the Seva work and
E.H.V. work is all free, cost nothing, and put a good face on an empire…I am extremely
fortunate that my wife, Jean, stuck with me during the fifteen years of this madness and
never was conned herself…For that I thank the true God!
It is strange but when I was working in Miami Fla, in 1968/69, a girl told me
some of my past and future. She wanted me to go to Bimini to scuba dive over some
ancient ruins, with some University People. She said they were Atlantean and that I would
remember them. She also predicted that I would go to India and meet Sai Baba, whom
she had already met. Some other stuff about my first wife dying at a young age and how
many children I would have also came true. I think her name was Phyliss and her friend
was, called Ray and his mother was called Yolanta, she was from Albania, I think. I
didn’t think of Sai Baba again, until 1985, perhaps I should have!
Another thing that I found was that prophecies were distorted to suit Sai Baba. Like
distorting Revelations:19, and Aurobindo’s announcement about the descent of Krishna
Consciousness. Not being able to find the Mohammed prophecies and that
Nostradamus’s don’t fit Sai Baba. The one good thing that has come out of this is that I
am now more into ‘formlessness’, no images, no gurus.! Also it is worth noting that when one is a devotee in a cult, one’s own subconscious mind imagines all sort of external phenonema. There are projections of thought forms from oneself, which are then seen. I’m not saying there isn’t spirit interference, but that most manifestations come from one’s own mind.Tony O'Clery.
http://www.exbaba.com
I write this whilst it is still fresh in my mind. I have just left the Sai Baba organisation and in
fact Sai Baba. I came to this decision after trying to cleverly and rudely refute Anti-Sai
people. In order to do this I needed to do my own research on their allegations of
cheating, trickery, lies, conjuring and sexual impropriety. As a result of my research and
also after receiving emails from present devotees and others, I decided that the weight of
evidence pointed to the fact that Sai Baba was in the least a cheat, and a fraud. Some of
my emails independently backed up statements that were made by the Swedish boy, who
was allegedly molested in some way. One was from a lady who came across a distraught
girl in Prashanti, and found out she was unhappy for Sai had molested her friend allegedly,
the girl was a Swede! This was independent information from an existing devotee, apart
from what Conny Larsson is saying. There is a Swedish magazine coming out with all the
details in from the boys and Conny in mid-January. It is called Sokaren! There was also
overwhelming evidence of homosexual touching from present devotees even. Some may
be ‘tantric healing’, some seems to go further allegedly.
Some email received whilst I was still a devotee:
"Dear Tony, i have been following the controversy on Yahoo's SB discussion page. I am
particularly surprised about David Bailey's new stance. I have heard of sexual stuff and
SB for years - but never took it seriously. However, this time I am paying more attention.
I was in India when a Swedish girl i met came up to me distressed. Her close friend had
told her that SB acted out sexually with him. She would not give me details, but told me
that he was going public in Sweden. I think it is the young man mentioned on this site. Of
course, my information is second hand also. I have been a follower of SB for 9 years. I
have always had doubts but continued to travel to India and try to follow his teachings.
My interaction with Swami has definately changed my life.
At this time, however, I am concerned that these "rumors" may be true. I am surprised
about my lack of emotion about the subject. I had my "shock" early on in my involvement
with SB when I saw him pull a watch out of his chair cushion and "manifest" it. I was
devasted. I had put all my trust in him. He was my "savior". But then, I calmed down over
the years and realized that I need to rely on my "inner swami". That may be why i am not
so upset about these acusations - my not feeling betrayed or fooled or whatever. I see
that watch incident as a gift and feel it made me stronger. There are so many acusations
about molestation and sexual abuse that I have to wonder if they are true. I agree with
you - that there needs to be some sort of investigation into the acuracy of these charges.
there can never be proof - it can only be SB's word against the boy's. There has been so
much molestation in churches and by guru's that it doesn't seem so far fetched.
I am afraid that this time I do feel like I must distance myself from SB. I am cancelling my
trip in January. I feel it is beyond me to comprehend who SB is. I have no doubt that he
has powers like bi-location - but I have read about others who do not claim to be great
avatars who had similar powers. He may just be very gifted by having such paranormal
abilities. I know you love SB very much and this must be difficult for you. I admire how
you hang in there and come to his defence. I hope with all my heart that you are right. My
husband is curious that I would let rumors affect my personal experiences. He has also
pointed out that certain wealthy, close-to-Baba Indian families that we know- would not
send their son's to Swami's school if these rumors were true. We also have students from
swami's school in our center - don't you think they would be aware of this type of thing? I
guess my husband's point is not to get too excited about this unless there is some proof
available. Even when David says that there are investigations going on in England - I
wonder - how does he know this? Has he been contacted by the authorities personally or
has he "heard" this from others? The danger of the Internet is that so much information is
passed on and there is no possibility of knowing it's quality. I am also curious about what
personal experience Faye had - kissing and french kissing? who? her son? None of this is
very clear. I don't know what to think about the young man in sweden. I don't know him -
I have no way of knowing how stable he is.
Do you know Al Drucker. I have reason to
believe he could shed some light on this. I hope you know how to contact him - I don't. I
hope you don't mind my e-mailing you. I don't like public forums. Take care, M."
"Dear Tony, Thanks for replying. I guess I am grasping at straws!! I have heard all this
stuff before, but not so intensely. I am particularly taken with David's accounts -
everything I have ever heard before was second hand (including the friend of the boy in
Sweden). My inclination is to distance myself from SB at this time - keeping in mind that i
have benefited greatly from my association with him. Again, for some reason I am pretty
calm about all this. If the "truth" comes out and Swami is innocent of all these charges - I
can make my way back - if so inclined. I don't feel it is an issue of loyalty - but of being
true to ones intuition and conscience. I don't feel this is a battle I need to get involved in to
any great extent. However, I have always been curious about Al Drucker's take on these
matters. I believe that he has remained a devotee despite these allegations or perhaps
"facts". I'm curious how he comes to term with the possibility of sexual acting out on the
part of SB. If you get any answers - please let me know. I wish you well. You are a
courageous soul. M."
With regard to the so-called miracle gifts. Sai even says himself that he doesn’t materialise
all the time check ch 14 of ‘Holyman and Psychiatrist’, by S. Sandweiss. However this is
just a convenient escape clause for the impression he gives is that he is materialising
everything. Sandweiss even gives an account of Sai palming Japamalas, but explains it
away as some type of test.
" Swami creates some objects in just the same way that he
created the Universe. Certain other objects are brought from where they were." Swami, p
122, Ch 13 HMAP, Sathya Sai Trust, 1975.
Also Sandweiss wrote this;
'I said to myself ah ha, I bet Baba is going to create a Japamala for Jeff. As I watched him, He brought out from behind His back in His left hand what indeed appeared to be a Japamala. He continued speaking to Jeff and it seemed to me that nobody else was looking at His left hand, that I was the only one who noticed it ……etc etc ". Sandweiss p 137, Ch 14. .
There are many other quotes including one where an author talks about the presence of
Devas at a major materialisation. Evidence from many videos indicates that much of what
he does is conjuring and sleight of hand. His uncle was a tantric conjurer but they didn’t
have videos in those days. I am talking about the Gurubusters video, the 1993
presentation to the hospital builders or architects, the 1996 Xmas Small Bible video, the
presentation to the Prime Minister video, God lives in India and more, where the sleight of
hand is obvious. So it had to be faced that if this had to be done then he couldn’t be who
he says he is---the Avatar. Never mind the allegations of sexual touching or whatever.
Also the many contradictions in his statements and taking different positions at different
times worried me for it indicated something less than omniscience. The test was could I
see Shirdi, Maharshi, Maharaj, or even Jesus doing this? The answer was no, so Sai
couldn’t be an Avatar.
The different versions about the murders in 1993, also had me worried. For if he was the
Avatar how come he let all those people die? His assistant Rahdhakrishna Menon was
supposedly ratting on people embezzling. Then four assasins get in with knives and
swords on to the verandah? The murderers of Menon are killed in turn, which seems
more than convenient to me. My question is where they shot after they were dead or
what, there are many questions unanswered.
Now I am not saying that he didn’t have powers/siddhis or that he still may have some. I
feel they are diminishing as he ages or are being conserved for some reason?? I have
experienced myself, his power of astral travelling and other subtle siddhis that he has. So
have members of my family on many occasions. They however do not indicate Divinity,
but an Astral Being. What about the vibhuti and other manifestations in people’s homes,
including some strange things in my own home. Well Sai doesn’t claim ownership of these
he just says it is due to the devotees devotion. In other words it is kinetic from some level
of the devotees mind. In other heavy manifestations I suspect the aid of spirits, as well. So
you see I am not a sceptic totally or a rationalist. Some may be outright fraud as well of
course.
How did I get in this mess? Well it seems I was recruited unbeknowns to me. One
morning at Bondi Beach in Sydney, I ate a hamburger. Well I fell asleep on the beach and
dreamed that I was a cow going to slaughter, and knew what was happening. This was
very vivid and was accompanied by the sense of terror, smells etc. On awakening I said.’
They know they are going to die cruelly’, and at that time I decided to become a
vegetarian. Later in the day, I was in the Theosophical bookshop browsing around, as
was my habit. For I was reading a lot of stuff about Huna, the Sufis, Meditation, Edgar
Cayce etc. I had also stopped drinking some nine months before after taking up
meditation. As I moved along the shelves I came across some books of Sai Baba that
were displayed covers flat out. I was looking at this Jimmy Hendrix looking character
when a clerk asked me if I was interested in this Baba. I asked who he was and she gave
me a quick description and then asked would I like to buy a book. She said she could get
me a cheaper one from the back as a clerk was a devotee. So she got me Sandweiss’s,
‘Holyman and the Psychiatrist’, for only $6 or so in 1985.( Of course when I was still a
devotee I translated this as he working through the girl and leading me to the books etc. I
was being personally chosen.) I read the maxims, including vegetarianism, and decided
that this Sai Baba must be a real live ‘High Self’, or Aumakua in Hawaiian Huna. I took it
on face value and the girl had given me the address of a Centre, Sara Pavan’s
Mirrabrook. So the next week I went and was given a medal to wear. I returned to
Vancouver the next week and joined the group here, who were mainly Hindus. Of course
they reinforced all the ideas about being individually called by Baba and I had hardly time
to think about anything. I was in hook line and sinker! My wife refused to have anything
to do with it but I took the kids to the ‘Sunday School’, where they learnt the message
and all about Indian Gods and nothing about Moses, Mohammed, Jesus, Nanak or
anybody else. I thought this was strange for that isn’t what Sai said things should be.
Anyway I liked languages so I soon learnt how to sing in Sanskrit, I was converted. I was
now suffering from ‘true believer syndrome’.
I went back and forth a few times to Australia and we all continued in the society. All the
time I was being encouraged, told stories of miracles constantly, which I duly passed on.
Even my wife was regarded as a potential threat and commisserations were extended me
as she wasn’t a devotee. I was well into the ‘True believer syndrome’, even had a little
shrine and everything plus pictures all over the place. We were told to ignore any
negatives, as that would prove we had a doubt. ‘You don’t have a doubt do you?’
Everyone seemed to think they were specially selected and wanted to teach everybody
about it all. At one point in 1987 I was appointed Secretary by default for the favoured
candidate didn’t turn up for the election/selection. Some time later the President and the
treasurer took me into a little room and showed me a legal file. This was either a court
document or a lawyers copy. It was all about the misdeeds and charges against a member
who it seemed was accosting female members. I was surprised they had such a document
and asked where they got it. They answered from someone in the system. I wondered
who else they had files on, but I dismissed it as all Swami’s will and his work. I visited
Prashanti and was allowed to touch his feet, Padanamaskar,( a great honour), plus talk to
him in the darshan line, and get something touched and blessed by him. I didn’t go inside
for I was by myself on both occasions. I stayed nearly a month each time, so I was well
familiar with the goings on.
However after a couple of years I took down the shrine but kept the pictures up. I had
discovered Sri Ramana Maharshi, and Vivekananda so I was tending toward the Jnana or
Knowledge Path. However I was still hooked into Sai Baba as an Avatar even if I now
understood we were both God. I believed his consciousness was in union with the
Universal and mine wasn’t. I still started with his image in meditation before going
formless. I was a true believing devotee. I had heard the negative stories and dismissed
them as lies of course. It wasn’t until much later when videos started to circulate that other
questions arose. I dismissed these as well including the Gurubuster phony materialisation.
There are none so blind as those that won’t see!! Even the junky and shoddy nature of
some of the materialisations didn’t wake me up. I continued on, even ending up giving
talks and speeches in the Centres and I was very active on the internet and Sainet. I was
probably their most prolific poster, I was doing work for Sai. I even took time out and
wrote a couple of books which, as it happened didn’t yet get published and now are just
paper. Apart from this I had several articles published in Sai magazines around the world.
I was doing well but they still didn’t trust me. In fact I stopped giving talks after the
Secretary said that I had to submit my talks for approval. The excuse being that some of
my stuff was too early for the minds of the newer devotees and it might frighten them! The executive of course suspected that I was going to wake up to this scam which they
obviously already knew about, but stayed in for position and power and just ego.
The President had been with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of T.M. fame previously. So he
was well versed in the management of a cult, even went with his wife to the school in
Switzerland. I was starting to wonder about the relationship in Canada with the Visva
Hindu Parishad and the Sai-Org. As many prominent Indians, including officers, were
members, even participating on the shrine/altar etc. The VHP was banned in India by
Prime Minister N.Rao ,a devotee, and their members imprisoned after the mosque at
Ayodhya was sacked resulting in thousands of deaths around the country. Even though it
was a proscribed organisation the members in Canada were still attending and Sai
functions were held at the Parishad Hall. Also as nobody seemed to take any notice of
Baba’s orders for including local language, songs, and culture, I wondered!! These were
prominent Hindu people and here they are ignoring the Avatar. Perhaps they knew
something that I didn’t.
Now every Saturday, I used to do service work giving out books
and videos from our Centre library. I noticed how the co-ordinators would sidle up to
hear what you were telling visitors or what the conversation was. On one occasion
someone brought in Scallions future map and this caused a big fuss. One guy was actually
told to throw the holder out of the Centre! There was much fuss and people saying we
are devotees Sai will save us from any disasters. The next week the ‘thought police’, in
the form of the President, and the V.P. , came in to check if anybody was talking about ‘
Earthchanges’, or any other non-Sai stuff! They were strutting around showing the flag
and trying to intimidate the devotees.
As time went on I started to notice that videos were going missing or were ‘out’, a long
time. I later found out that they were the videos which showed Sai palming and conjuring
his phony materialisations, like the little Bible etc. I never really questioned anything for
being a devotee entailed complete surrender to the Guru. I am surprised at myself, now
that I have again become myself, and can look back objectively. I, like all, believed his
presence was with us watching all the time, guiding and protecting. I believed he was
talking to me all the time.
With regard to collecting money, there was a box at the back of
the Centre for people to donate to the Sai Trust. Also many N.R.I.s donated large somes
privately to acquire good karma. The Sai-Org organ the Sanathana Sarathi also
advertises for tax dedutible donations as well. So money is collected on a grand scale
even though they say they don’t ask for money or preach like other religious groups. Of
course there was the Seva or service work that was performed but it was never
overwhelming. Worshipping activities were always the most important. These were
usually elaborate functions including food with no expenses spared. Hiring big halls and
erecting big altars. All for the worship and glorification of Sai. Just one function would
have fed many unfortunates but then the officers wouldn’t have the opportunity to give
speeches, grandstand and feed their egos. Everything was of an exremely fundamentalist
Hindu nature with barely even lip-service to other beliefs.
I was never asked to sing at these functions although I was good enough to be the ‘token
Westerner’, singing in Sanskrit on the main day Thursday. The other groups such as the
Japanese, Chinese, and English were segregated out and relegated to other nights. Most
of the controversial teachings were never taught, so as not to upset the members. Quantity
was far more important than quality! There was never any real pressure to keep devotees
but then who is going to leave God? Sai has said it is an opportunity that comes along
only every few thousand years and it would be just our fate to not utilise it. What kind of
bad karma would that bring? It is all like a common mind or shared ego. It is primitive and tribal and even similar to how animals share their minds and instincts. It is like a computer programme that is shared by many, and if that is the only programme you have, that is what one plays. The ego becomes attached to the programme for thoughts are things and they become posessions.
We all thought we belonged to an exclusive group that had been individually called by the
great Avatar. This imparted an incredible pressure and instilled an even more incredible
arrogance. Even as a devotee, I was fed up with idiots coming up to me and telling me the
wisdom of the ages. Usually a fundamentalist who thought Sai talked through him. They all
felt superior to non-devotees the misguided members of other religions. Of course the
usual lip-service was given about all being one and God has many names, but they all
knew it was Sai Baba really. A name that Sathyanarayana Raju had given himself.
Probably because there were millions of ready made Shirdi Baba devotees. Many of
these could be persuaded to follow a real life version of their Guru. It is all very strange
how normal people come in pranaming to pictures of Sai Baba and the mixture, elephant
headed God Ganesha. They do this to increase the sense of belonging and this why they
adopt Saris and Indian dress. Sai-Org is really aimed at India but these Westerners
coerce themselves. Most of them would not know any Vedanta at all. It is all tribal
manipulation and human inadequacy. The need to belong seems to be a basic human
instinct and leaves one open to exploitation. Especially in the West where there is a
spiritual vacuum. Also most of the Centres are highly politicised and full of ego
competition, not really spiritual at all. So there were all the personal agendas needing to
keep control as well. This isn’t exclusive to Sai-Org, many religions and cults are very
similar. For some reason attending group functions seems to have not only a binding effect
but a blocking effect as well. Take my own case for example; before I came across the
yahoo club I had already walked out of the centre, some time before. I still considered
myself a devotee but not a member of Sai-Org anymore. As soon as I freed myself from
the reinforcing vibrations, my thinking started to ‘free-up’, so to speak. The mind has a
tendency to go out and grasp, so overcompensating ,( to eliminate its other aspect,
‘doubt’), seems to result in self-deception/attachment. I had the advantage of being a bit
of a rebel anyway. This freed me from the Sai-Org, but freeing myself from Sai Baba was
like a divorce or grieving over a death. Perhaps like a nervous breakdown. It is all the
true believer syndrome, and one has to live through the destruction of ones future before
the new future starts to manifest.
However the first morning that I awoke free, I was happy and relaxed and back to my
old jolly Irish self. It must have been a strain for me to be a devotee. My personality was
not similar to the other devotees at all for I was extremely extroverted. I was perhaps
trying to fill a hole in my life. Perhaps my childhood and my bad experiences with the
Catholic Church, for I had walked out of that also. I was actually reading the Sufis and
wanted to sit around with a group of mystics, that brought me to Sai Baba…..Some
mystical group!! The Sai-Org was a fundamentalist group, which I really didn’t appreciate
until I had left. Then I realised it was all about numbers and the lowest common
denominator. No wonder I, as an aspiring Jnani was looked upon with suspicion. It also
explains why Sai is contradictory in his teachings, keep everyone in whilst the money is
coming. I believe that most if not all of the executives in the Sai-Org are aware of the truth
but are willing participants. For it is another Sect/Cult with wide open opportunities for
advancement. There are many Tammy and Fayes around and other religious frauds. It is
strange that even now that I write against him. People write me and tell me that I am doing
his work, playing a role in this leela/play. The mental gymnastics of devotees never will
cease to amaze me. I am sceptical but I am not a true sceptic/rationalist for I have
experienced too much of Sai Baba and other stuff on the subtle planes, I believe in the
occult.
I know that he is an Astral Being of some kind, a Deva or Asura or even Fallen Angel. A Bhrashta or fallen yogi probably would be a better description of him.
Thessalonians 2 in the New Testament writing on the Anti-Christ seem to fit him quite
well. Saint Paul( Saul of Tarsus, studied under Gamaliel), in his letters obviously peered
into the eternal now. I am not getting hysterical here, for Anti-Christ has many meanings.
"The wicked one will come with the power of Satan,( I translate this as Ego-T) and
perform all kinds of false miracles and wonders. 2:10. Thess. "He will even go in and sit
down in God’s Temple and claim to be God." 2:4. Thess. Sai Baba has said and done
both of the above!!!!!!!!!Over and over again.
Even in the birthday discoures of 23-11-99 he says that people shouldn’t be ashamed to say they are going to Puttaparthi to see God! Combine that with his proven phony materialisation miracles on video and it all fits???? ‘True-believer syndrome’ The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceed not only logic but, seemingly, even sanity. --The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher
The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it that compels a person,
past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. How can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, an imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the harder? --M. Lamar Keene
One of the greatest tragedies in all of this; is the amount of people that have family
problems, lose spouses, lose businesses, all for this Sai-Org. The purpose being to get
money to India, where it translates into power and influence. All the Seva work and
E.H.V. work is all free, cost nothing, and put a good face on an empire…I am extremely
fortunate that my wife, Jean, stuck with me during the fifteen years of this madness and
never was conned herself…For that I thank the true God!
It is strange but when I was working in Miami Fla, in 1968/69, a girl told me
some of my past and future. She wanted me to go to Bimini to scuba dive over some
ancient ruins, with some University People. She said they were Atlantean and that I would
remember them. She also predicted that I would go to India and meet Sai Baba, whom
she had already met. Some other stuff about my first wife dying at a young age and how
many children I would have also came true. I think her name was Phyliss and her friend
was, called Ray and his mother was called Yolanta, she was from Albania, I think. I
didn’t think of Sai Baba again, until 1985, perhaps I should have!
Another thing that I found was that prophecies were distorted to suit Sai Baba. Like
distorting Revelations:19, and Aurobindo’s announcement about the descent of Krishna
Consciousness. Not being able to find the Mohammed prophecies and that
Nostradamus’s don’t fit Sai Baba. The one good thing that has come out of this is that I
am now more into ‘formlessness’, no images, no gurus.! Also it is worth noting that when one is a devotee in a cult, one’s own subconscious mind imagines all sort of external phenonema. There are projections of thought forms from oneself, which are then seen. I’m not saying there isn’t spirit interference, but that most manifestations come from one’s own mind.Tony O'Clery.
http://www.exbaba.com
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