One must love the other for the 'Self's ' sake not for ones own sake. If your friend or relative is ailing or seriously ill don't think in terms of your potential loss but have compassion for their condition. That is love otherwise fretting about your loss is attachment and selfishness.................
Selvi yes I agree and awakened
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Max I agree Tony true compassion has no ulterior motive. But how many of us can achieve this state???
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Tony O'Clery Max has to put oneself in the place of the ailing person mentally instead of in one's own selfish place....and fear of loss.....
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Tony O'Clery The Self i use here is the big Self or the 'Life Force', Prana or god or whatever name you give it....
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Cathy so true
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Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Thursday, March 22, 2012
The futility of human existence
The futility of human existence is in cycles; nothing is ever permanently changed for the good like the humanists expect...Procrastination is the thief of time but Hope is the thief of sadhana and moksha....Human nature will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent...For humans carry with them all the vasanas and tendencies of the animals they once were, without instinctual seasons. The Ego itself is really the reactiv defence mechanism to identify 'who' is getting hurt of experiencing. This in turn is amplified and misused by the human mind. This may seem cynical the obvious is often cause....; That we are an interface between the lokas and patalas and mixture of joy and grief, both of which we have to rise above...For why would the Devas take birth so they can overcome their happiness....If there is any reason at all for human simian existence it is to realise the futility of human existence....only Mosha is the escape.
Thursday, March 08, 2012
Kevala NirVikalpa Samadhi is the Royal Road
Every occupation we have, every interest, every business, every hobby, every course of study, every religion, every use of mind is just distraction....and diversion...Only Kevala NirVikalpa Samadhi is the Royal Road.
If one must the only thought and speech to take not of is 'Who am I?' 'I am That'.
Then one will find nothing is happening at all.
If one must the only thought and speech to take not of is 'Who am I?' 'I am That'.
Then one will find nothing is happening at all.
Monday, February 20, 2012
MEXICAN BOND SCAM
THE MEXICAN BOND SCAM.
Similar to the structured investment vehicle sub-prime scam.First lest dispel the delusions of Billions of dollars and Trillions and Quadrillions. This not money but digitals it cannot be taken out of the country or to a bank. It is in the main fully estimated projections over a number of years like 20 or more. plus there is a 80% min humanitarian deduction. The GDP of the USA last year was 14T the whole world 40T..5 Billion will buy an aircraft carrier....so these pieces of paper are not worth that..lets get real...otherwise Mark Zuckeberg, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet could not afford one.
HERE IS THE BREAK DOWN on a trading platform
INSTRUMENT ARE MONETIZED UP TO 90% OF FACE
PLATFORM TAKES 5% OF GROSS PROFITS
80% GOES TO HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS.
IT IS IN A MONITORED SEGREGATED ACCOUNT IN THE BENEFICIAL OWNER OF THE INSTRUMENT NAME.
MONITORED BY THE FED RESERVE AND IS ACCOUNTABLE IN A DRAW ACCOUNT
OWNER OF THE INSTRUMENT RECEIVES 14% Gross.
The real street value can be seen at glabarre.com studios or on ebay and craiglist.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC31Oudc5BgMexican Government Statement on their Bonds. BONDS THAT WERE OLD DEBTIn response to numerous inquiries made to the Ministry of FinanceOffice and the Central Bank, it is public knowledge that the bondsold debt issued by the Mexican State between 1850 and 1951 todayworthless days since the deadline passed for payment, and do not giveaction or other right to its holder, which has been confirmed by the PowerFederal Judicial...So there you are they are worthless and all this broker bullshit about Hacienda quoting prices is total rubbish.. Here is a legal history on the 4 Head Presidents....an insight sent to me.... http://aoclery.yolasite.com/mexican-bond-scam.php .They do not record names at Hacienda only folio numbers as the bonds are 'Bearer Bonds', you just need sales receipts and provenance as in art and antiques.There are only about 5 real buyers who can perform in the world, and will pay the others will only use the bonds package.My friend who is an associate of Hacienda told me that he only personally knew of 10 real transactions last year and he was associated with one for 500K. He also said the Govts want to know who own the bonds and where they are at.. probably for a future re-certifying as a security at a lower price and interest. He also said the platforms are mis-appropriating the bonds...The platforms use the bonds as an agreed ‘Temporary Bridge Collateral’ to get a line of credit or loan to start a ‘Trade’, as the bond has no intrinsic value this amount is paid back from the first trades.. THIS LEAVES THE BOND STILL ALIVE AND NOT MONETISED AS IT WAS ONLY USED FOR COLLATERAL THIS MEANS IT CAN BE USED TIME AFTER TIME AND NEVER BE REDEEMED. ALSO TO DO THIS THEY DO NOT NEED THE BOND ONLY OWNER’S NAME AND FOLIO NUMER IN A KYC. Nobody complains as the IMF gets 80% of the tranches into humanitarian projects, which is a broad stroke and can involve JV and future equity for the platforms. Some so called humanitarian projects are barely that and are strictly profit making with equity and future JV profits..So getting tax breaks on the tranches from the trading.The owner will be put under a silence order and confidentiality agreement to say nothing about how much they received for the bond...which is now owned by the platform ,OR JV,for future temporary collateral. These agreements never come to light and therefore never come to your paymaster, only the owner, the platform, the compliance and some intake officers get a kick-back .THE BROKER NEVER HEARS ABOUT THE BOND AGAIN IT GOES DOWN A BLACK HOLE NOT SOLD, AS IT NEVER WAS SOLD, ONLY COLLATERALISED NOT MONETISED AS THE LOAN IS PAID BACK. THE PLATFORM DOESN’T EVEN NEED THE BOND JUST THE PACKAGE AS IN MANY CASES THERE IS A JV WITH THE LISTED OWNER. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE SWISS BANK SCAM WHERE THEY COLLATERALISE GOLD IN THEIR BANKS WHICH IS NOT OWNED BY THEMMost brokers or intermediaries never find out who the platforms are or their names so they can never follow up the scam or rort... Matrix 7 is one which my Hacienda Associate told me is owned by the Bush Family...and another was called Prakash Platform but there are thousands of them.YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION WHERE HAVE ALL THESE THOUSANDS OF BONDS GONE AND WHY YOU DON’ T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN PAID. I PERSONALLY HAVE SUBMITTED OVER TWO THOUSAND SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS AND INTAKE OFFICERS, MANY OF THEM GET PAID ON ALMOST A SALARY TO COLLECT PACKAGES FOR THE PLATFORMS...ANYONE WITH A SECURITIES TRADING LICENSE CAN BE A PLATFORM.In this way it is similar to the siv subprime scam, where packages were sold all around the world without paperwork from the mortgage.................NB. The four head President bond the platforms want has NO FOLIO NUMBER yet they deal with it. How can compliance possible be done on a bond that cannot be traced as real? This is more evidence of a scam in the platforms...Also I believe the 1843 27500 pesos Black Eagle was never ever issued by Mexico? But was a fake based on the 20,000K I actually have a jpeg on how it was done...I was informed that the 4headed was actually redeemed and destroyed years ago...These fake bonds and notes discovered in Italy to the value of 6T are more than likely laundered as temporary bridging collateral through the trading platforms.. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/italy-police-seize-6-trillion-of-fake-u-s-treasury-bonds-in-switzerland.htmlScammers blacklist on ppp etchttp://insidetradellc.com/forum/fraud-protection/23-blacklist-private-placement-brokers-traders-avoid.html I will be eventually adding a forum where people can give their opinons on intake officers, buyer's reps, and even platforms, performing or not., plus opinons on intermediaries in the Mexican Bond business will also be added......... pleiadesventures@yahoo.comThe Rogues and liars and bulldust artists will be named in a non libelous way.
Name those that are slow or never get back or deals disappear or are telling patent untruths. 1. A platform that Michael Alf and Mary de P were next to, took dozens of my bonds and couldn't perform at all even lost 50+ bonds from the Maori Nation to another buyer----useless..Rating Zero out of 10.2. Platform next to Jodie also had dozens of bonds in Prakash Platform and the Bush Family Matrix 7....useless could not perform.Rating Zero out of 10.3. Platform that Val Pa, Joe B and Don To were next to could not perform on over 2000 bonds. Even kept 17 Blueberries for a month and then returned them out of date...probably took the CIS, the sellers name and bond folio number and traded anyway and ripped everybody off. If I can prove they ripped me off a full report will be going into the SEC and FBI. To also told me that one seller of mine from South America was blacklisted and turned down 10BBs--..I found out she was not blacklisted, and was quite acceptable at other platforms and intakes.. This particular group do not get back, cannot work zips, and out of over 2000 bonds may be got back on less than a handful. Leaving the situation wide open to abuse as one never knows what happened to their submissions...I still have no report on bonds gone into ppp supposedly...I will never put any bonds in there and advise others not to...They are my worst experience on the net with bonds by far...most have been there up to three years and never been paid...Also by omission they 'forgot' to tell me that they were not direct to the buyer and it wasn't until months later that Val Pa admitted that he was not direct to the buyer but two away!Ratings Zero out of 10.Ratings Zero out of 10.4. Another non performing platform was next to Fred Bo and was next to a certain Simone B..they could not do anything at all complete non performers.Rating Zero out of 10.
Everything is always secret and secrecy usually means something wrong...are banks secret about their names? A lot of platforms are just 4 guys in the underwear sitting around the kitchen table with a connection to a 'trader'..So not all brokers mentioned is it personal it is a way of identifying the platform only which is what the platforms want a buffer. So I not condemning the brokers mentioned as they are conned just like the rest of us. Intakes AND DIRECT BROKERS are different they are retained by the platforms and probably paid.I was forced to go to other more likely intakes...direct to Beijing and Zurich, but on PPPs.ALSO BAD SELLERS SHOULD BE LISTED...Not just those 'blacklisted' by the platforms...Now especially of new SEC rules on them...IE..The bond the consultant and the bad seller will all be blacklisted by the SEC itself...I don't know how this would affect other work in commodities...I will invite a list of those that have wasted my time so later brokers don't waste theirs, others will be added from my own experienceI personally have been called by the FBI in Washington State, twice, to surrender emails on a broker they were investigating--so I know they are active. I surrendered the emails of course..[4:17:15 PM] J Got this back earlier today:[4:17:16 PM] J " A trader can not use the bond without the owners approval, for collateral or for anything else. IF you go to a bank with just a folio number, the bank will have to see the bond. that is why banks ask for skr, or ownership. the owner has to approve all that goes on with bonds according to the SEC attorney i just spoke with."[4:17:22 PM] Tony O'Clery: my article has ruffled a few feathers but they haven't been paid either just cult like thinking.[4:20:33 PM] Tony O'Clery: that is a lot of crap...these are no good at the bank as they are not securities they are a treaty asset ruled on by a us district court...YOU CANNOT TAKE AN PIECE D'ART TO THE BANK. The sec attorney is talking out of his arse...they are not securities so do not come under sec actually...only when used as temp bridge collateral... They are supposed to have the bond but the lender may lend without it as the bond is worthless anyway...they get their money back straight away asap. how do they lend on a 4 head prez with no folio number as it was burned long ago...or a 27500 that was never issued by mex govt.??????????????? would you take a dollar bill without a number? some say the folio number is in the water mark on the back but all the interest payment coupons have been used as well. it is all a scam and there is probably a lot more going on that we don't know.... they want the tax dodge on the humanitarians and we know that is a broad brush...and they want an excuse to get hold of lines of credit to trade...they don't trade the bond it is useless.: if the platform has the package what is stopping them using the folio number etc later with a 'cooperative lending officer'. it is returned in the first tow tranches anyway...and all[4:25:28 PM] Tony O'Clery: but their responses are interesting...where is bernie madoff?[4:28:01 PM] J: <<< bernie madoff?ha - yeah! he would have loved this one no jail,,,,just like subprime no jail.Genuine market prices with kyc of bonds..... http://www.glabarre.com/item/So_Called__Blueberry____The_Banco_Central_Mexicano___Price_Upon_Request/2714Comments: From topix forum on mexican bonds; "" IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER PURCHASING THESE BONDS. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL GET YOUR PACKAGE USE THE NUMBER LOCK IT IN AND COMMENCE TRADING WITHOUT EVER PAYING YOU ANYTHING. ALL""Extract off a forum....(I did not write this)...byMIDDLE MEN WILL NEVER GET PAID...Seattle.WA. He obviously is frustrated by the situation... YOU HAVE SO MUCH GREED AND DEMISE CIRCLING AROUND THESE BONDS. THE CHINESE WON'T PAY YOU ONE PENNY. EVERY COMPLETE PACKAGE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE ENDS WITH THE SAME EXCUSE. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND IN THE BOND BUSINESS FROM THE DAY THEY BEGAN THERE TRIALS OF ENTICEMENTS. IF YOU CONTINUE WORKING THE BOND BUSINESS YOU WILL CONTINUE MAKING THE PRICIPLES RICHER. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE ONE CENT! THEY WILL TELL YOU IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO RECEIVE MORE THAN $100.000 INTO YOUR U.S. BANK ACCOUNT.THEN THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN'T PAY YOU BECAUSE THE BANKS ARE IN A WORLD MEETING CHANGING TO THE NEW BUYING PERCEEDURES. LIES UPON LIES ON TOP OF MORE LIES! SOME OF THE MOST EXPEREINCED BROKERS ARE GETTING FOOLED BY ALL OF THE HYPE. YOU HEAR STORIES OF SELLERS TURNING DOWN QUADS OF MONEY. WHY? BECAUSE NONE OF THE BROKERS WILL EVER SEE ONE DOLLAR. SELLERS ARE TOLD TO LIE IF THEY ARE TO GET PAID. SO WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY TELL YOU THE WILDEST STORIES AND YOU BELIEVE THEM WHILE REMAINING TO BRING IN PACKAGES ONLY TO HEAR THE SAME STORIES WITH A LITTLE DIFFEERNT PILE OF MARLARKY ATTACHED TO IT. REST ASSURED FOLKS, YOU WILL SPIN YOUR WHEELS NIGHT AND DAY WITHOUT EVER BEING COMPESATED.WATCH OUT FOR THOSE WHO WILL CUT YOU OUT AS QUICK AS THEY WILL ROB THEIR OWN MOTHER. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THOSE CLAIMING TO DO MORE OF THE WORK ONLY TO STEAL THE DEAL FROM YOU. HAVE YOU BEEN PROMISED TO SPIT ALL COMMISSIONS EQAULLY TO FIND OUT LATER SOME GREEDY S.O.B. SNUCK HIS WAY THROUGH TO YOUR SOURCES TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM DOING MORE WORK. THE BANKS ARE LAUGHING AT ALL OF YOU IDIOTS!YOUR ALL A BUNCH THIEVING A-HOLES! IF NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A PROOF OF FUNDS, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER PURCHASING THESE BONDS. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL GET YOUR PACKAGE USE THE NUMBER LOCK IT IN AND COMMENCE TRADING WITHOUT EVER PAYING YOU ANYTHING. ALL OF THOSE SELLERS WHO HAVE TURNED IN PACKAGES ONLY TO HEAR THE EXCUSE OF YOUR PACKAGE HAS BEEN SEEN TOO MANY TIMES AS YOUR TOLD YOU HAVE BEEN DENIED IS FALSE. SOMEONE IS BEING PAID FROM YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT BECAUSE OF THEIR NEW MADE UP LAWS THAT SAYS BROKERS CAN'T BE PAID FOR REASONS OF NOT HAVING A SECURITY LICENSE OR OTHER BOGUS REASONS THEY MAKE UP ON A DAILY BASIS! SORRY TO BUST ALL OF YOUR BUBBLES BUT YOUR ALL CROOKS ANYWAY AND NONE OF YOU DESERVE TO GET PAID.I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE WORST AND SIDING WITH THE WORST IN NEVER WANTING TO TRULY FOLLOW THROUGH ON COMPESATING THOSE WHO HAVE BROUGHT YOU THE DEAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.EXTRACT FROM INT'L TREATY AND FED RULES:2008. Also pop must be done before pof................This is a very important message to anyone involved in the commodities industry on the new measures with respect to Buyers and Sellers conducting oil and other commoditiestransactions. From now on, if an ICPO, LOI, RWA, or BCL is issued and thedocument is not real, the Buyer will be able to inform to theFBI, ICC, and INTERPOL. In addition, after an FCO is sent to the Buyer, there should be a formal answer to Seller from Buyer. If there’s no response from the Buyer in a timely manner, the buying company will be reported to the FBI, ICC, and INTERPOL. If this action is repeated by sellers, they too will also be reported for abuse of the NCND, LOI, ICPO, AND RWA OR BCL,FOR THIS IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE. It is important to transmit this to all clients that work with providers that are members of the ICC, FBI, and other international organizations. From this point forward, the international codes will bestrictly enforced to exclude all intruders that send out false information. Those who submit a false NCND/IMFPA, LOI, ICPO, RWA or BCL, or FCO, as well as FALSE PROOF OF PRODUCT(POP), WILL BE CHARGE WITH A CRIME. This went into effect on November 15, 2008 after a meetingwas held between the Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, Interpol, Federal Bureau of Investigation and CentralIntelligence Agency. The reason for this measurement is to protect thecommodities industry which is a fundamental part of the world’s economy.I have read and understood the severity of the warning above and do realize the serious impact that pertains to alloil and other commodities transactions.ENTRY ON FAKE BONDS AND FAKE EUROCLEAR DOCUMENTS..Today fake BCV bonds are the latest scams. You can purchase Fake Euroclear documents with a REAL ISIN number in anyones name WITH supporting BCV documents for around $30K USD. For awhile, people where going around printing fake BGs from HSBC and Barclays.Now, they are trying to print fake BCVs and Mexican historical bonds. Historical bonds cannot be secured for a line of credit. A real trading transaction is ONLY triggered by CASH. Some brokers claim to trade historical bonds but I assure you its part of a scam as not one trading bank anywhere in the world is using collateral in the form of a historical bond..Scammers can't fake real bank to bank communications and that's where they fall short and the scam ends and the same deals keep circulating just with different names.Of course the bond itself is not used as collateral to trade but only to get a temporary line of credit..which is bought back quickly as the bond is worthless. http://aoclery.yolasite.com/mexican-bond-scam.php LIST OF SCAMMERS FALSE INTAKES AND CIRCUMVENTERS AND GENEOLOGY CLEANERS... A list of bad intermediaries will be placed here....you can submit evidence to me at pbinc_2@yahoo.com 5. Elayne and Bill Rubin....I sent a bond to and the seller Mr Huizing got back to me and told me that somebody had tried to wipe my name off the geneology and then took it to Mayfair a known non performer...Don Manzano was perhaps not next to the chinese redemption in this case but bloody mayfair in the caymans.
HERE IS THE BREAK DOWN on a trading platform
INSTRUMENT ARE MONETIZED UP TO 90% OF FACE
PLATFORM TAKES 5% OF GROSS PROFITS
80% GOES TO HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS.
IT IS IN A MONITORED SEGREGATED ACCOUNT IN THE BENEFICIAL OWNER OF THE INSTRUMENT NAME.
MONITORED BY THE FED RESERVE AND IS ACCOUNTABLE IN A DRAW ACCOUNT
OWNER OF THE INSTRUMENT RECEIVES 14% Gross.
The real street value can be seen at glabarre.com studios or on ebay and craiglist.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC31Oudc5BgMexican Government Statement on their Bonds. BONDS THAT WERE OLD DEBTIn response to numerous inquiries made to the Ministry of FinanceOffice and the Central Bank, it is public knowledge that the bondsold debt issued by the Mexican State between 1850 and 1951 todayworthless days since the deadline passed for payment, and do not giveaction or other right to its holder, which has been confirmed by the PowerFederal Judicial...So there you are they are worthless and all this broker bullshit about Hacienda quoting prices is total rubbish.. Here is a legal history on the 4 Head Presidents....an insight sent to me.... http://aoclery.yolasite.com/mexican-bond-scam.php .They do not record names at Hacienda only folio numbers as the bonds are 'Bearer Bonds', you just need sales receipts and provenance as in art and antiques.There are only about 5 real buyers who can perform in the world, and will pay the others will only use the bonds package.My friend who is an associate of Hacienda told me that he only personally knew of 10 real transactions last year and he was associated with one for 500K. He also said the Govts want to know who own the bonds and where they are at.. probably for a future re-certifying as a security at a lower price and interest. He also said the platforms are mis-appropriating the bonds...The platforms use the bonds as an agreed ‘Temporary Bridge Collateral’ to get a line of credit or loan to start a ‘Trade’, as the bond has no intrinsic value this amount is paid back from the first trades.. THIS LEAVES THE BOND STILL ALIVE AND NOT MONETISED AS IT WAS ONLY USED FOR COLLATERAL THIS MEANS IT CAN BE USED TIME AFTER TIME AND NEVER BE REDEEMED. ALSO TO DO THIS THEY DO NOT NEED THE BOND ONLY OWNER’S NAME AND FOLIO NUMER IN A KYC. Nobody complains as the IMF gets 80% of the tranches into humanitarian projects, which is a broad stroke and can involve JV and future equity for the platforms. Some so called humanitarian projects are barely that and are strictly profit making with equity and future JV profits..So getting tax breaks on the tranches from the trading.The owner will be put under a silence order and confidentiality agreement to say nothing about how much they received for the bond...which is now owned by the platform ,OR JV,for future temporary collateral. These agreements never come to light and therefore never come to your paymaster, only the owner, the platform, the compliance and some intake officers get a kick-back .THE BROKER NEVER HEARS ABOUT THE BOND AGAIN IT GOES DOWN A BLACK HOLE NOT SOLD, AS IT NEVER WAS SOLD, ONLY COLLATERALISED NOT MONETISED AS THE LOAN IS PAID BACK. THE PLATFORM DOESN’T EVEN NEED THE BOND JUST THE PACKAGE AS IN MANY CASES THERE IS A JV WITH THE LISTED OWNER. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE SWISS BANK SCAM WHERE THEY COLLATERALISE GOLD IN THEIR BANKS WHICH IS NOT OWNED BY THEMMost brokers or intermediaries never find out who the platforms are or their names so they can never follow up the scam or rort... Matrix 7 is one which my Hacienda Associate told me is owned by the Bush Family...and another was called Prakash Platform but there are thousands of them.YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION WHERE HAVE ALL THESE THOUSANDS OF BONDS GONE AND WHY YOU DON’ T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN PAID. I PERSONALLY HAVE SUBMITTED OVER TWO THOUSAND SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS AND INTAKE OFFICERS, MANY OF THEM GET PAID ON ALMOST A SALARY TO COLLECT PACKAGES FOR THE PLATFORMS...ANYONE WITH A SECURITIES TRADING LICENSE CAN BE A PLATFORM.In this way it is similar to the siv subprime scam, where packages were sold all around the world without paperwork from the mortgage.................NB. The four head President bond the platforms want has NO FOLIO NUMBER yet they deal with it. How can compliance possible be done on a bond that cannot be traced as real? This is more evidence of a scam in the platforms...Also I believe the 1843 27500 pesos Black Eagle was never ever issued by Mexico? But was a fake based on the 20,000K I actually have a jpeg on how it was done...I was informed that the 4headed was actually redeemed and destroyed years ago...These fake bonds and notes discovered in Italy to the value of 6T are more than likely laundered as temporary bridging collateral through the trading platforms.. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/italy-police-seize-6-trillion-of-fake-u-s-treasury-bonds-in-switzerland.htmlScammers blacklist on ppp etchttp://insidetradellc.com/forum/fraud-protection/23-blacklist-private-placement-brokers-traders-avoid.html I will be eventually adding a forum where people can give their opinons on intake officers, buyer's reps, and even platforms, performing or not., plus opinons on intermediaries in the Mexican Bond business will also be added......... pleiadesventures@yahoo.comThe Rogues and liars and bulldust artists will be named in a non libelous way.
Name those that are slow or never get back or deals disappear or are telling patent untruths. 1. A platform that Michael Alf and Mary de P were next to, took dozens of my bonds and couldn't perform at all even lost 50+ bonds from the Maori Nation to another buyer----useless..Rating Zero out of 10.2. Platform next to Jodie also had dozens of bonds in Prakash Platform and the Bush Family Matrix 7....useless could not perform.Rating Zero out of 10.3. Platform that Val Pa, Joe B and Don To were next to could not perform on over 2000 bonds. Even kept 17 Blueberries for a month and then returned them out of date...probably took the CIS, the sellers name and bond folio number and traded anyway and ripped everybody off. If I can prove they ripped me off a full report will be going into the SEC and FBI. To also told me that one seller of mine from South America was blacklisted and turned down 10BBs--..I found out she was not blacklisted, and was quite acceptable at other platforms and intakes.. This particular group do not get back, cannot work zips, and out of over 2000 bonds may be got back on less than a handful. Leaving the situation wide open to abuse as one never knows what happened to their submissions...I still have no report on bonds gone into ppp supposedly...I will never put any bonds in there and advise others not to...They are my worst experience on the net with bonds by far...most have been there up to three years and never been paid...Also by omission they 'forgot' to tell me that they were not direct to the buyer and it wasn't until months later that Val Pa admitted that he was not direct to the buyer but two away!Ratings Zero out of 10.Ratings Zero out of 10.4. Another non performing platform was next to Fred Bo and was next to a certain Simone B..they could not do anything at all complete non performers.Rating Zero out of 10.
Everything is always secret and secrecy usually means something wrong...are banks secret about their names? A lot of platforms are just 4 guys in the underwear sitting around the kitchen table with a connection to a 'trader'..So not all brokers mentioned is it personal it is a way of identifying the platform only which is what the platforms want a buffer. So I not condemning the brokers mentioned as they are conned just like the rest of us. Intakes AND DIRECT BROKERS are different they are retained by the platforms and probably paid.I was forced to go to other more likely intakes...direct to Beijing and Zurich, but on PPPs.ALSO BAD SELLERS SHOULD BE LISTED...Not just those 'blacklisted' by the platforms...Now especially of new SEC rules on them...IE..The bond the consultant and the bad seller will all be blacklisted by the SEC itself...I don't know how this would affect other work in commodities...I will invite a list of those that have wasted my time so later brokers don't waste theirs, others will be added from my own experienceI personally have been called by the FBI in Washington State, twice, to surrender emails on a broker they were investigating--so I know they are active. I surrendered the emails of course..[4:17:15 PM] J Got this back earlier today:[4:17:16 PM] J " A trader can not use the bond without the owners approval, for collateral or for anything else. IF you go to a bank with just a folio number, the bank will have to see the bond. that is why banks ask for skr, or ownership. the owner has to approve all that goes on with bonds according to the SEC attorney i just spoke with."[4:17:22 PM] Tony O'Clery: my article has ruffled a few feathers but they haven't been paid either just cult like thinking.[4:20:33 PM] Tony O'Clery: that is a lot of crap...these are no good at the bank as they are not securities they are a treaty asset ruled on by a us district court...YOU CANNOT TAKE AN PIECE D'ART TO THE BANK. The sec attorney is talking out of his arse...they are not securities so do not come under sec actually...only when used as temp bridge collateral... They are supposed to have the bond but the lender may lend without it as the bond is worthless anyway...they get their money back straight away asap. how do they lend on a 4 head prez with no folio number as it was burned long ago...or a 27500 that was never issued by mex govt.??????????????? would you take a dollar bill without a number? some say the folio number is in the water mark on the back but all the interest payment coupons have been used as well. it is all a scam and there is probably a lot more going on that we don't know.... they want the tax dodge on the humanitarians and we know that is a broad brush...and they want an excuse to get hold of lines of credit to trade...they don't trade the bond it is useless.: if the platform has the package what is stopping them using the folio number etc later with a 'cooperative lending officer'. it is returned in the first tow tranches anyway...and all[4:25:28 PM] Tony O'Clery: but their responses are interesting...where is bernie madoff?[4:28:01 PM] J: <<< bernie madoff?ha - yeah! he would have loved this one no jail,,,,just like subprime no jail.Genuine market prices with kyc of bonds..... http://www.glabarre.com/item/So_Called__Blueberry____The_Banco_Central_Mexicano___Price_Upon_Request/2714Comments: From topix forum on mexican bonds; "" IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER PURCHASING THESE BONDS. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL GET YOUR PACKAGE USE THE NUMBER LOCK IT IN AND COMMENCE TRADING WITHOUT EVER PAYING YOU ANYTHING. ALL""Extract off a forum....(I did not write this)...byMIDDLE MEN WILL NEVER GET PAID...Seattle.WA. He obviously is frustrated by the situation... YOU HAVE SO MUCH GREED AND DEMISE CIRCLING AROUND THESE BONDS. THE CHINESE WON'T PAY YOU ONE PENNY. EVERY COMPLETE PACKAGE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE ENDS WITH THE SAME EXCUSE. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND IN THE BOND BUSINESS FROM THE DAY THEY BEGAN THERE TRIALS OF ENTICEMENTS. IF YOU CONTINUE WORKING THE BOND BUSINESS YOU WILL CONTINUE MAKING THE PRICIPLES RICHER. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE ONE CENT! THEY WILL TELL YOU IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO RECEIVE MORE THAN $100.000 INTO YOUR U.S. BANK ACCOUNT.THEN THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN'T PAY YOU BECAUSE THE BANKS ARE IN A WORLD MEETING CHANGING TO THE NEW BUYING PERCEEDURES. LIES UPON LIES ON TOP OF MORE LIES! SOME OF THE MOST EXPEREINCED BROKERS ARE GETTING FOOLED BY ALL OF THE HYPE. YOU HEAR STORIES OF SELLERS TURNING DOWN QUADS OF MONEY. WHY? BECAUSE NONE OF THE BROKERS WILL EVER SEE ONE DOLLAR. SELLERS ARE TOLD TO LIE IF THEY ARE TO GET PAID. SO WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY TELL YOU THE WILDEST STORIES AND YOU BELIEVE THEM WHILE REMAINING TO BRING IN PACKAGES ONLY TO HEAR THE SAME STORIES WITH A LITTLE DIFFEERNT PILE OF MARLARKY ATTACHED TO IT. REST ASSURED FOLKS, YOU WILL SPIN YOUR WHEELS NIGHT AND DAY WITHOUT EVER BEING COMPESATED.WATCH OUT FOR THOSE WHO WILL CUT YOU OUT AS QUICK AS THEY WILL ROB THEIR OWN MOTHER. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THOSE CLAIMING TO DO MORE OF THE WORK ONLY TO STEAL THE DEAL FROM YOU. HAVE YOU BEEN PROMISED TO SPIT ALL COMMISSIONS EQAULLY TO FIND OUT LATER SOME GREEDY S.O.B. SNUCK HIS WAY THROUGH TO YOUR SOURCES TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM DOING MORE WORK. THE BANKS ARE LAUGHING AT ALL OF YOU IDIOTS!YOUR ALL A BUNCH THIEVING A-HOLES! IF NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A PROOF OF FUNDS, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER PURCHASING THESE BONDS. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL GET YOUR PACKAGE USE THE NUMBER LOCK IT IN AND COMMENCE TRADING WITHOUT EVER PAYING YOU ANYTHING. ALL OF THOSE SELLERS WHO HAVE TURNED IN PACKAGES ONLY TO HEAR THE EXCUSE OF YOUR PACKAGE HAS BEEN SEEN TOO MANY TIMES AS YOUR TOLD YOU HAVE BEEN DENIED IS FALSE. SOMEONE IS BEING PAID FROM YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT BECAUSE OF THEIR NEW MADE UP LAWS THAT SAYS BROKERS CAN'T BE PAID FOR REASONS OF NOT HAVING A SECURITY LICENSE OR OTHER BOGUS REASONS THEY MAKE UP ON A DAILY BASIS! SORRY TO BUST ALL OF YOUR BUBBLES BUT YOUR ALL CROOKS ANYWAY AND NONE OF YOU DESERVE TO GET PAID.I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE WORST AND SIDING WITH THE WORST IN NEVER WANTING TO TRULY FOLLOW THROUGH ON COMPESATING THOSE WHO HAVE BROUGHT YOU THE DEAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.EXTRACT FROM INT'L TREATY AND FED RULES:2008. Also pop must be done before pof................This is a very important message to anyone involved in the commodities industry on the new measures with respect to Buyers and Sellers conducting oil and other commoditiestransactions. From now on, if an ICPO, LOI, RWA, or BCL is issued and thedocument is not real, the Buyer will be able to inform to theFBI, ICC, and INTERPOL. In addition, after an FCO is sent to the Buyer, there should be a formal answer to Seller from Buyer. If there’s no response from the Buyer in a timely manner, the buying company will be reported to the FBI, ICC, and INTERPOL. If this action is repeated by sellers, they too will also be reported for abuse of the NCND, LOI, ICPO, AND RWA OR BCL,FOR THIS IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE. It is important to transmit this to all clients that work with providers that are members of the ICC, FBI, and other international organizations. From this point forward, the international codes will bestrictly enforced to exclude all intruders that send out false information. Those who submit a false NCND/IMFPA, LOI, ICPO, RWA or BCL, or FCO, as well as FALSE PROOF OF PRODUCT(POP), WILL BE CHARGE WITH A CRIME. This went into effect on November 15, 2008 after a meetingwas held between the Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, Interpol, Federal Bureau of Investigation and CentralIntelligence Agency. The reason for this measurement is to protect thecommodities industry which is a fundamental part of the world’s economy.I have read and understood the severity of the warning above and do realize the serious impact that pertains to alloil and other commodities transactions.ENTRY ON FAKE BONDS AND FAKE EUROCLEAR DOCUMENTS..Today fake BCV bonds are the latest scams. You can purchase Fake Euroclear documents with a REAL ISIN number in anyones name WITH supporting BCV documents for around $30K USD. For awhile, people where going around printing fake BGs from HSBC and Barclays.Now, they are trying to print fake BCVs and Mexican historical bonds. Historical bonds cannot be secured for a line of credit. A real trading transaction is ONLY triggered by CASH. Some brokers claim to trade historical bonds but I assure you its part of a scam as not one trading bank anywhere in the world is using collateral in the form of a historical bond..Scammers can't fake real bank to bank communications and that's where they fall short and the scam ends and the same deals keep circulating just with different names.Of course the bond itself is not used as collateral to trade but only to get a temporary line of credit..which is bought back quickly as the bond is worthless. http://aoclery.yolasite.com/mexican-bond-scam.php LIST OF SCAMMERS FALSE INTAKES AND CIRCUMVENTERS AND GENEOLOGY CLEANERS... A list of bad intermediaries will be placed here....you can submit evidence to me at pbinc_2@yahoo.com 5. Elayne and Bill Rubin....I sent a bond to and the seller Mr Huizing got back to me and told me that somebody had tried to wipe my name off the geneology and then took it to Mayfair a known non performer...Don Manzano was perhaps not next to the chinese redemption in this case but bloody mayfair in the caymans.
Monday, September 19, 2011
If you want to observe love without attachments or ego
If you want to observe love without attachments or ego...watch an 18mos old child kiss a one year old child.......just the impulse of the life force recognising itself..Bala Krishna consciousness. As the child recognises the ego/ahamkara and ages it becomes attachment and emotional sentiment covered in vasanas.............
Saturday, September 17, 2011
The Incarnations of Jesus Christ According to Edgar Cayce
The Incarnations of Jesus Christ According to Edgar Cayce
Amilius
the entity that Cayce described living in the lost civilization of Atlantis who redirected the process of human evolution by creating a more appropriate physical form for the influx of souls to incarnate into rather than incarnating into the ape-like human form which souls had entangled themselves in.
Adam
Adam was the first "son of man" and "son of God"; the Christ soul after his incarnation into a physical body (corresponding to Genesis 2).
Enoch
Enoch was the antideluvian patriarch who journeyed to heaven to receive mysteries.
Hermes
Hermes, also known as Thoth, was the architect of the Great Pyramid and the sage who began the Hermetic tradition.
Melchizedek Melchizedek was the mystical high priest and king of Salem (ancient Jerusalem).
Joseph Joseph was the son of Jacob who became the Prince of Egypt.
Joshua Joshua was the warrior who led the Israelites into the Promised Land.
Asaph Asaph was the music director and seer who served under David and Solomon.
Jeshua
Jeshua was the high priest who helped organize the return from exile and the rebuilding of the temple (as recounted in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah) and who is claimed by Cayce to have compiled and translated the books of the Bible
Zend
Zend, also spelled "Zen", "Zan", "Sen", or "San," was the father of Zoroaster who wrote the Zend Avesta and founded the religion Zoroastrianism
Jesus
Jesus was the man who attained complete "at-one-ment" as the divine-human unity known as "the Christ"
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Tony O'Clery This of course doesn't cover incarnations in India and other parts of the world...as Cayce was only interested in a particular area...really.
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Tony O'Clery -----According to Cayce, Jesus was sixteen years old when his education about the ways of the ancient teachers began. First, he traveled to Egypt where, as an infant, Jesus was taken after his birth by his parents to flee Herod as the Gospel of Matthew states. After spending time learning in Egypt, Jesus spent three years in India and finally a year in Persia----
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Satyadev Niyogi A realized soul has no re-birth. Jesus will not be reborn as he was a mukta. His grace is ever lasting and is there for people to meditate upon.
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Tony O'Clery yes he won't be back he doesn't exist anymore he was a Mukta...
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Tony O'Clery They mix up Christ soul with Jesus soul a lot as they don't understand the meaning of Christ Consciousness or Krishna Consciouness- Kutashta Chaitanya...
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Amilius
the entity that Cayce described living in the lost civilization of Atlantis who redirected the process of human evolution by creating a more appropriate physical form for the influx of souls to incarnate into rather than incarnating into the ape-like human form which souls had entangled themselves in.
Adam
Adam was the first "son of man" and "son of God"; the Christ soul after his incarnation into a physical body (corresponding to Genesis 2).
Enoch
Enoch was the antideluvian patriarch who journeyed to heaven to receive mysteries.
Hermes
Hermes, also known as Thoth, was the architect of the Great Pyramid and the sage who began the Hermetic tradition.
Melchizedek Melchizedek was the mystical high priest and king of Salem (ancient Jerusalem).
Joseph Joseph was the son of Jacob who became the Prince of Egypt.
Joshua Joshua was the warrior who led the Israelites into the Promised Land.
Asaph Asaph was the music director and seer who served under David and Solomon.
Jeshua
Jeshua was the high priest who helped organize the return from exile and the rebuilding of the temple (as recounted in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah) and who is claimed by Cayce to have compiled and translated the books of the Bible
Zend
Zend, also spelled "Zen", "Zan", "Sen", or "San," was the father of Zoroaster who wrote the Zend Avesta and founded the religion Zoroastrianism
Jesus
Jesus was the man who attained complete "at-one-ment" as the divine-human unity known as "the Christ"
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Tony O'Clery -----According to Cayce, Jesus was sixteen years old when his education about the ways of the ancient teachers began. First, he traveled to Egypt where, as an infant, Jesus was taken after his birth by his parents to flee Herod as the Gospel of Matthew states. After spending time learning in Egypt, Jesus spent three years in India and finally a year in Persia----
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Satyadev Niyogi A realized soul has no re-birth. Jesus will not be reborn as he was a mukta. His grace is ever lasting and is there for people to meditate upon.
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Tony O'Clery yes he won't be back he doesn't exist anymore he was a Mukta...
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Friday, September 16, 2011
Good long video by Wolinsky on Nisargadatta Maharaj.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8176175212783439931
Good long video by Wolinsky on Nisargadatta Maharaj.
Good long video by Wolinsky on Nisargadatta Maharaj.
Just deleted myself from ruthless truth group on FB
Just deleted myself from ruthless truth group on FB...after only one day...I have never so many deluded, pompous, dilettantes in one place..locked in their own minds guaranteeing continuous rebirth........
Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Monday, September 12, 2011
Human love and sentiment is the antithesis of true spirituality.
Human love and sentiment is the antithesis of true spirituality.
Because they are actually attachment....of the ego.
Tim There's a fine line on that one... if dependency is involved, I agree.
attachment and dependency are words for the same vasana.
No fine line-----a chasm in fact.......
Grief is a scar in the mind...don't scratch it.....
Because they are actually attachment....of the ego.
Tim There's a fine line on that one... if dependency is involved, I agree.
attachment and dependency are words for the same vasana.
No fine line-----a chasm in fact.......
Grief is a scar in the mind...don't scratch it.....
Sunday, September 11, 2011
Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body..
Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body..
by Tony O'Clery on Sunday, September 11, 2011 at 7:30am
Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body.....In all cases except in the cases of Muktas the Consciousness using the purified vijnanamayakosa re-energised the DEAD BODY and the Mukta appears to live..Jesus, Ramana, Maharaj, Lakshamana, Saradamma all attest to this..In fact in D Godman's book...'No mind I am the Self' Saradamma's death is described and Lakshamana's part in the revival...All muktas have to go through this according to Nisargadatta Maharaj...so this leaves all so called teachers who haven't as just 'Actor Philosophers' as Niz says...There are two definate qualifications for a Mukta....1. Literal Death Experience. and 2. Teach through Mouna or silence...
by Tony O'Clery on Sunday, September 11, 2011 at 7:30am
Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body.....In all cases except in the cases of Muktas the Consciousness using the purified vijnanamayakosa re-energised the DEAD BODY and the Mukta appears to live..Jesus, Ramana, Maharaj, Lakshamana, Saradamma all attest to this..In fact in D Godman's book...'No mind I am the Self' Saradamma's death is described and Lakshamana's part in the revival...All muktas have to go through this according to Nisargadatta Maharaj...so this leaves all so called teachers who haven't as just 'Actor Philosophers' as Niz says...There are two definate qualifications for a Mukta....1. Literal Death Experience. and 2. Teach through Mouna or silence...
Thursday, September 01, 2011
Animal Muktas.२.
Animal Muktas.
Lakshmi came near and started licking the papers. Bhagavan looked up and said: "Wait a little, Lakshmi." But Lakshmi went on licking. Bhagavan laid his paper aside, put his hands behind Lakshmi's horns and his head against hers. Like this they stayed for quite a long time. After some ten minutes or so, Bhagavan t...urned to me and said: "Do you know what Lakshmi is doing? She is in Samadhi."
Samadhis are built for Saints...Once an Ashram deer was attacked by some animal and the wounds turned from bad to worse. Sri Bhagavan sat near the deer and held its face in his hands, looking at its tearful eyes. Sri Bhagavan sat like that for a couple of hours. Chinnaswami asked my uncle who was standing close to look after the deer and relieve ... See MoreSri Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan heard this but did not make any response. Sri Bhagavan sat there till the deer breathed its last. That was the compassion that Sri Bhagavan had for that deer. Soon after, Sri Bhagavan went to the hall. There is a Samadhi for the deer in the Ashram.
Swamy came across a cobra that had been woman in its last life.-----The cobra stopped in front of him raised its hood and looked at Swamy's eyes. Swamy looked back and the two of them gazed at each other for a few second...The cobra then lowered its hood and did pradakshina of Swamy's house.....After three visits it didn't return...Sri Lakshmana Swamy.
""The story if Cow Lakshmi is particularly moving as we have the full details of it, stetching from the time when she came as a calf in 1926 till her mukti in June 1948. When she was young and frisky, occasionally she would damage the vegetable garden. However when she was blamed for it, Ramana would immediately defend her saying, "She is not to be blamed. She went where she found good food. If you didn't want her to go there you ought to have fenced the garden properly to keep her out." "...On June 17. 1948, Lakshmi fell ill. The following morning, June 18, it looked as if the end was near. At about 10 o'clock in the morning Ramana went to her. '...He found her breathing hard and she was lying prostrate. Taking her head into his arms, stroking her neck, Ramana fixed his gaze on her eyes." "...Her breathing became steady immediately. Tears began to trickle from her eyes. Ramana's eyes too overflowed as he looked at her with great love. How could those standing nearby hold back their emotions?" "He asked her tenderly, "Amma, do you want me to be near you? I must go now as people are waiting for me in the hall. But wherever I may be, I am always with you." "Then he placed his hand in her head as though givng diksha. He put his hand over her heart also and then caressed her, placing his cheek against her face. When he had convinced himself that her heart was pure, free from all vasanas entailing rebirth and centered solely on him, he took leave of her and returned to the hall. Here eyes were calm and peaceful. She was conscious up to the end and left the body at 11:30a.m. quite peacefully."
Lakshmi came near and started licking the papers. Bhagavan looked up and said: "Wait a little, Lakshmi." But Lakshmi went on licking. Bhagavan laid his paper aside, put his hands behind Lakshmi's horns and his head against hers. Like this they stayed for quite a long time. After some ten minutes or so, Bhagavan t...urned to me and said: "Do you know what Lakshmi is doing? She is in Samadhi."
Samadhis are built for Saints...Once an Ashram deer was attacked by some animal and the wounds turned from bad to worse. Sri Bhagavan sat near the deer and held its face in his hands, looking at its tearful eyes. Sri Bhagavan sat like that for a couple of hours. Chinnaswami asked my uncle who was standing close to look after the deer and relieve ... See MoreSri Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan heard this but did not make any response. Sri Bhagavan sat there till the deer breathed its last. That was the compassion that Sri Bhagavan had for that deer. Soon after, Sri Bhagavan went to the hall. There is a Samadhi for the deer in the Ashram.
Swamy came across a cobra that had been woman in its last life.-----The cobra stopped in front of him raised its hood and looked at Swamy's eyes. Swamy looked back and the two of them gazed at each other for a few second...The cobra then lowered its hood and did pradakshina of Swamy's house.....After three visits it didn't return...Sri Lakshmana Swamy.
""The story if Cow Lakshmi is particularly moving as we have the full details of it, stetching from the time when she came as a calf in 1926 till her mukti in June 1948. When she was young and frisky, occasionally she would damage the vegetable garden. However when she was blamed for it, Ramana would immediately defend her saying, "She is not to be blamed. She went where she found good food. If you didn't want her to go there you ought to have fenced the garden properly to keep her out." "...On June 17. 1948, Lakshmi fell ill. The following morning, June 18, it looked as if the end was near. At about 10 o'clock in the morning Ramana went to her. '...He found her breathing hard and she was lying prostrate. Taking her head into his arms, stroking her neck, Ramana fixed his gaze on her eyes." "...Her breathing became steady immediately. Tears began to trickle from her eyes. Ramana's eyes too overflowed as he looked at her with great love. How could those standing nearby hold back their emotions?" "He asked her tenderly, "Amma, do you want me to be near you? I must go now as people are waiting for me in the hall. But wherever I may be, I am always with you." "Then he placed his hand in her head as though givng diksha. He put his hand over her heart also and then caressed her, placing his cheek against her face. When he had convinced himself that her heart was pure, free from all vasanas entailing rebirth and centered solely on him, he took leave of her and returned to the hall. Here eyes were calm and peaceful. She was conscious up to the end and left the body at 11:30a.m. quite peacefully."
Earlier I had asked, what is mind?
Earlier I had asked, what is mind? Mind is only the outgoing flow in words of this life principle, the prana. And how does the mind work? The mind is limited to the conditioning to which it has been exposed therefore, the mind cannot go beyond the specific molding it has undergone in the individual.. Nisargadatta Maharaj.
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Tony O'Clery Consciousness is one's constant companion-------So pray to that constant companion of yours and not to some imaginary conceptual god...NiZ.
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Brian Castleman "The mind is limited to the conditioning to which it has been exposed therefore, the mind cannot go beyond the specific molding it has undergone in the individual." So true billions of neurons in the first years of life that absorb the environments filled with all sorts of likes/dislikes of others that is later confused as personal opinions and feelings. Conditioning is deeply rooted.
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MJ Himanshu what is the mind ??
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Brian Castleman thoughts held together
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MJ Himanshu and who prays ?
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Tony O'Clery ego goes out and catches thoughts...creating a bundle ---that is mind.
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MJ Himanshu is ego a thought ??
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Tony O'Clery everything in manifestation is a thought/mind.
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MJ Himanshu is thought matter or consciousness ??
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MJ Himanshu is it possible to think without words ??
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MJ Himanshu what the fuck is a thought ??
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Brian Castleman MJ consider this Ramana Maharshi quote "Existence or consciousness is the only reality. Consciousness plus waking, we call waking. Consciousness plus sleep, we call sleep. Consciousness plus dream, we call dream. Consciousness is the screen on which all the pictures come and go." Now think about thought and what it is.. It is something superimposed on stillness which is your true nature.
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Tony O'Clery thought is illusion as all is delusion ultimately.Niz talks of only two sides to the coin life force prana and consciousness--sakti/siva.
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Tony O'Clery Life force is inseparable aspect or kinetic of consciousness.
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MJ Himanshu how do i stop thinking ??
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Tony O'Clery MJ meditate until you develop nirvikalpa samadhi.
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Brian Castleman All you have to do is stop giving them so much power over you see them for what they really are
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Tony O'Clery kevala at first and then eventually sahaja or moksha.
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Brian Castleman just a passing mirage in the distance you are not thought
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Tony O'Clery It is good to be the witness and observe it is better to go beyond completley.
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Tony O'Clery It is necessary to go beyond consciousness and awareness even.
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Brian Castleman what do you mean Tony?
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Tony O'Clery NirGuna.
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Brian Castleman ahhh to be without form..
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Tony O'Clery nirguna, nirvana, sahaja, moksha.
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Tony O'Clery ajativada.
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Tony O'Clery it never happened at all.
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Brian Castleman Right as Nisargdatta tells us thinking there is a way out is also part of the dream..
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MJ Himanshu Tony this is like peeling an endless onion ♥♥
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MJ Himanshu isnt there a simpler way ??
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MJ Himanshu love you Brian and Tony ♥♥
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Brian Castleman Pay attention to your breath breathing in and out and between your in and out breath there is a steady firm awareness abide in that
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Brian Castleman It will reveal itself accordingly.. always know everything happens automatically by the Will of God
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Brian Castleman and you are That... Namaste I'm off to the grocery store :)
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MJ Himanshu ((((♥))))
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Tony O'Clery dump the onion---just go beyond.
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MJ Himanshu haha love you Tony ♥♥ gotta crash its midnight in Bombay, India ♥♥
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Tony O'Clery no will no god.
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Tony O'Clery except oneSelf.
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Tony O'Clery Consciousness is one's constant companion-------So pray to that constant companion of yours and not to some imaginary conceptual god...NiZ.
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Brian Castleman "The mind is limited to the conditioning to which it has been exposed therefore, the mind cannot go beyond the specific molding it has undergone in the individual." So true billions of neurons in the first years of life that absorb the environments filled with all sorts of likes/dislikes of others that is later confused as personal opinions and feelings. Conditioning is deeply rooted.
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MJ Himanshu what is the mind ??
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Brian Castleman thoughts held together
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MJ Himanshu and who prays ?
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Tony O'Clery ego goes out and catches thoughts...creating a bundle ---that is mind.
38 minutes ago · Like · 2 people
MJ Himanshu is ego a thought ??
38 minutes ago · Like
Tony O'Clery everything in manifestation is a thought/mind.
37 minutes ago · Like · 2 people
MJ Himanshu is thought matter or consciousness ??
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MJ Himanshu is it possible to think without words ??
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MJ Himanshu what the fuck is a thought ??
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Brian Castleman MJ consider this Ramana Maharshi quote "Existence or consciousness is the only reality. Consciousness plus waking, we call waking. Consciousness plus sleep, we call sleep. Consciousness plus dream, we call dream. Consciousness is the screen on which all the pictures come and go." Now think about thought and what it is.. It is something superimposed on stillness which is your true nature.
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Tony O'Clery thought is illusion as all is delusion ultimately.Niz talks of only two sides to the coin life force prana and consciousness--sakti/siva.
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Tony O'Clery Life force is inseparable aspect or kinetic of consciousness.
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MJ Himanshu how do i stop thinking ??
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Tony O'Clery MJ meditate until you develop nirvikalpa samadhi.
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Brian Castleman All you have to do is stop giving them so much power over you see them for what they really are
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Tony O'Clery kevala at first and then eventually sahaja or moksha.
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Brian Castleman just a passing mirage in the distance you are not thought
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Tony O'Clery It is good to be the witness and observe it is better to go beyond completley.
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Tony O'Clery It is necessary to go beyond consciousness and awareness even.
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Brian Castleman what do you mean Tony?
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Tony O'Clery NirGuna.
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Brian Castleman ahhh to be without form..
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Tony O'Clery nirguna, nirvana, sahaja, moksha.
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Tony O'Clery ajativada.
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Tony O'Clery it never happened at all.
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Brian Castleman Right as Nisargdatta tells us thinking there is a way out is also part of the dream..
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MJ Himanshu Tony this is like peeling an endless onion ♥♥
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MJ Himanshu isnt there a simpler way ??
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MJ Himanshu love you Brian and Tony ♥♥
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Brian Castleman Pay attention to your breath breathing in and out and between your in and out breath there is a steady firm awareness abide in that
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Brian Castleman It will reveal itself accordingly.. always know everything happens automatically by the Will of God
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Brian Castleman and you are That... Namaste I'm off to the grocery store :)
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MJ Himanshu ((((♥))))
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Tony O'Clery dump the onion---just go beyond.
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MJ Himanshu haha love you Tony ♥♥ gotta crash its midnight in Bombay, India ♥♥
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Tony O'Clery no will no god.
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Tony O'Clery except oneSelf.
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Wednesday, August 31, 2011
T O'CLERY'S GURU ANALYSIS
T O'CLERY'S GURU ANALYSIS
59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so."GThomas.
Purport:
Take heed of the living Jesus(Mukta), for on death you may not know where you are and where you are going. Also some people don’t even know that they have died, and get distracted. One cannot achieve Liberation after death so easily. Use this opportunity of this life and don’t waste it.
aoclery@yahoo.com
Why do people follow Charlatans and non realised teachers? I think it is because they have not done enough study and sadhana to recognise the difference and they are too lazy to--so they want instant mcdonalds type enlightenment...Also in psychology 101 .Social Psychology...and modern life -Middlebrook- one will fine the definition of a leader as somebody, followers identify with but consider more knowledgeable or better at the job than they are...There is also the pop-idol syndrome and the egotistic need for seeing or Darshan of a spiritual teacher...This is a common identification process...All of this psychology the charlatans are aware of and use....and once you get away from the gurulings to the gurus one comes across transference of imagery on the the inner mind...or naming of ones's inner mind...after the guru...Buddhist call it the counterpart sign and it is more perfect than the original image....
Realised Teachers or Sadgurus IMHO...are the late Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, and presently living Sri Lakshmana Swami and Mathru Sri Sarada...There may be a mere handful more...All the non realised guru/teachers are in the mind only.
The Manduka Upanishad and the Muktas say it is better to follow the teachings of a dead Mukta than a live non Mukta. That is because Muktas are the Self and have the Sakitpat of the Self in their words and actions.
http://www.biogetica.com/i_am_that.pdf
Here is the truth ..
http://www.beasyouare.info/beasyouare.pdf
Why don't they publish..?...Like Alan Jacobs or David Godman or Maurice Frydman or Fuerstein on Patanjali...but the vindists don't as they are ignorant and have learned a non dual conceptual lingo that is all.
1. Non enlightened Gurus and even Frauds..These pages will build up over time.These are million dollar and billion dollar operators...Using the same system of always have something to be financed so donations keep flowing.
Sathya Sai Baba...'Alleged' pedophile, embezzler and murderer..Teachings are an eclectic mix of Hindu and other religions to suit more people..Claims to be an incarnation of Shirdi Baba.
Nithyananda......Alleged sexual and other irregularities.
Sri Sri Ravishankara....Big Biz...Roadshow Guru..broke away from Mahesh ...
Bhagavan and Sri of Oneness University......Big Biz Roadshow Guru.
Isha Foundation.....Big Biz...
2. Non Realised Neo-Advaitins and Verbal Non Dualists.
There are many of these...of whom their own Guru, Papaji said that they were not even a little bit enlightened and he sent them out to get the leeches off his back, in the hope some people would come to India for the real message..( 'It never happened'-David Godman).
Papaji said his own disciple-teachers,mooji, gangaji etc, were not even temporarily enlightened
I quoted Papaji the guru of cohen, gangaji, mooji etc.............I was not stating my own belief but Papaji's own statements to David Godman...I mention neo- advaitins and meat eaters like Mooji..who is famous for his 'lazy man's road to enlightenment' video on youtube. If you look you will see nervousness before he speaks and realises he has the crowd,,,only egos get nervous...My contention with the neo advaitins is that they essentially teach that sadhana to remove vasanas is not really necessary....although Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi did sadhanA before and after Moksha...........The Mundakya Upanishad says it is better to read the Upanishads and follow the teachings of real Gurus or Muktas..THAN FOLLOW NON REALISED TEACHERS...that is my advice and what I follow....I only know two muktas on the planet and they are Sr Mathru Sarada and Sri Lakshmana Swamy...both in the Ramana line..Also a death experience is necessary before complete realisation.... What I am saying is that many so called teachers and self-styled gurus are superflous--just entertainment............Tony
Papaji made it clear in the book "Nothing Ever Happened"--David Godman, that those he sent to
teach not only are not enlightened, they are not even temporarily enlightened.
#1. When asked about those he sent to teach, Papaji said that the purpose was to
have them point the way to Lucknow, not to pose as awakenened teachers.
#2. Papaji said that many can fool others into thinking they are liberated but
they are the false coin.
#3. When asked about the experiences that so many people had in Lucknow, he said
they were false experiences.... See More
#4. When asked, "Why did you give them false experiences?" he said to get the
leeches off my back.
#5. Papaji said he met only two Jnani's in his lifetime. One was Ramana
Maharshi. The other was a man who appeared from out of the jungle into the town
of Krishnagiri.
#6. Ramana Maharshi said that there is a false sense of liberation that
aspirants reach that very few ever go beyond.
Papajis sent out disciple-teachers include ..Mooji, Gangaji, Cohen and a whole host of neo advaitins ...These are all small fry in comparison to Nithyananda and Sai Baba.Then there are all the gurulings sprouting up in the business.
These include Gangaji, Mooji,and all other Papaji disciples who are known teachers..Then we have Adyashanti, Liquorman, Byron Katie,Sailor Bob,Tolle, Parsons, Cohen and more.
All non realised teachers claiming to have the 'philosopher's stone'....and the non dual knowledge..Apparently they have the knowledge to collect donations...and gullible disciples.Some are paying themselves salaries of 59K to 100K a year...and that is only what is declared.
This week we will take a look at;
1.New ones on the gurulings scene are Bentinho Massaro and Karen Richards, who have a good grasp of marketing themselves and their product and the psychology of dealing with disciples and followers...They don't teach anything new...just have learned all the concepts and non dual speak....If they stuck to philosophy they would be fine but like the rest they need to sell the 'Secret of the Philosopher's Stone'...They intimate as they are teachers they 'know' something when like the rest they are the blind leading the blind and taking donations...Essentially what they teach is what they call 'awareness' which in fact is a form of preparation for meditation only. However they take it to a level it doesn't exist on as Awareness is The Self or Universal Consciousness. What they consider to be awareness is just the ego quietly hiding and observing its own thoughts...the 'Thief in the Palace'...the Thief pretending to be the Policeman. So in the concentration and meditation preparation they are useful other than that they only have an entertainment value..As all they do is still in the mind...and is not NirVikalpa Samadhi ..Kevala or Sahaja..Any non dual state they lead to is deceptive and not liberation and only leads to re-birth as is evidenced by the fact they are here teaching the concepts the brought with them from previous lifetimes..
Michael Jeffreys and Cory Bright.
These gentlemen amongst others are enablers and ride point for these 'Actor Philosophers' as Nisargadatta Maharaj calls them....posting much from aspiring mini-mes gurulings like Bentinho Massaro, who collects donations for his 'work', which has a resounding similarity to the words of Muktas but misses the point with his own non-realised additions.. It is all part of the play of consciousness --------------including me writing this....
Sailor Bob Adamson and his new business partnership with Gilbert Schultz...
2.It now seem that Bob has gone in with Gilbert to use paypal to sell products...In fact the money goes to Gilbert's paypal account first..Bob's teaching are a regurgitation of the Jnanis which are given freely with no charge...Essentially the teachings of Nisargadatta Maharaj,Ramana Maharshi and others. Why people cannot buy the original teachings which are available I don't know...Neither Bob nor Gilbert are anywhere near realised. Even at a stretch they are superfluous....really..go direct to Ramana or Maharaj's sites. Apparently Gilbert Schultz has turned up on Facebook in a different name I am informed..Is William Richardson Gilbert? let me know...aoclery@yahoo.com
Sarlo's list of Gururatings..
Sarlo doesn't get into Jnanis and Muktas and just comments on their teachings and not where they come from. He doesn't get into Mysticism, Sadgurus and Muktas like I will. I post Sarlo's site to show the situation with how many are in the business...
http://www3.telus.net/public/sarlo/Ratings.htm
Oprah's Forum....Neo-Advaitins.....
http://www.oprah.com/community/message/509403
Here is a TV report on Eckhart Tolle, who is Oprah's business partner in her new spiritual enterprise or business pushing his books and lectures...at 200-300 dollars a lecture or 995 dollars for the weekend...........Tolle is an eclectic mix of Long, Gurdjieff, the Vedanta and other spiritual systems..........he claims some kind of enlightenment but contradicts his own teachings continually..........I have read him and he may be of some use to neophytes but a real Guru he is not----he is a businessman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BVLFtfjrkU
The Path of Advaita according to Shankara
For the purposes of this article, presented below is a very short
summary of the pre-requisites needed by a seeker before achieving
Self-Realization or Liberation (as specified by Shankara in his
Vivekachudamani - The Crest Jewel of Discrimination translated into
Tamil by Ramana Maharshi and from Tamil into English by Sir Arthur
Osborne).
In order to be qualified for enquiry into the
Self, a man must have a powerful intellect and ability to seize the
essential and reject the inessential besides the various qualities
enumerated in the scriptures. What are these? He must be able to
discriminate between the real and the unreal. He must have an
unattached mind. He must ardently desire liberation. And he must be
tireless in practice Only such one is qualified to enquire into
Brahman. The qualifications are enumerated as follows:
1. Discrimination between the real and the unreal.
2. Disinclination to enjoy the fruit's of one's actions.
3. The six virtues of tranquility, self-control, withdrawal, forbearance, faith, and concentration of the Self.
4. Intense yearning for liberation.
The aspirant must indeed have these qualities in
order to attain abidance in the Self; without them there can be no
realization of the Truth.
This then is the simplified version of Shankara's instructions for truth realization.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/tony-oclery/how-can-one-recognize-a-realized-teacher-or-sadguru/10150253877266218
IT IS AN ANALYSIS OF GURUS, GURULINGS AND SPIRITUAL TEACHERS IN COMPARISON WITH RECOGNISED REALISED TEACHERS OR MUKTAS.
59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so."GThomas.
Purport:
Take heed of the living Jesus(Mukta), for on death you may not know where you are and where you are going. Also some people don’t even know that they have died, and get distracted. One cannot achieve Liberation after death so easily. Use this opportunity of this life and don’t waste it.
aoclery@yahoo.com
Why do people follow Charlatans and non realised teachers? I think it is because they have not done enough study and sadhana to recognise the difference and they are too lazy to--so they want instant mcdonalds type enlightenment...Also in psychology 101 .Social Psychology...and modern life -Middlebrook- one will fine the definition of a leader as somebody, followers identify with but consider more knowledgeable or better at the job than they are...There is also the pop-idol syndrome and the egotistic need for seeing or Darshan of a spiritual teacher...This is a common identification process...All of this psychology the charlatans are aware of and use....and once you get away from the gurulings to the gurus one comes across transference of imagery on the the inner mind...or naming of ones's inner mind...after the guru...Buddhist call it the counterpart sign and it is more perfect than the original image....
Realised Teachers or Sadgurus IMHO...are the late Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, and presently living Sri Lakshmana Swami and Mathru Sri Sarada...There may be a mere handful more...All the non realised guru/teachers are in the mind only.
The Manduka Upanishad and the Muktas say it is better to follow the teachings of a dead Mukta than a live non Mukta. That is because Muktas are the Self and have the Sakitpat of the Self in their words and actions.
http://www.biogetica.com/i_am_that.pdf
Here is the truth ..
http://www.beasyouare.info/beasyouare.pdf
Why don't they publish..?...Like Alan Jacobs or David Godman or Maurice Frydman or Fuerstein on Patanjali...but the vindists don't as they are ignorant and have learned a non dual conceptual lingo that is all.
1. Non enlightened Gurus and even Frauds..These pages will build up over time.These are million dollar and billion dollar operators...Using the same system of always have something to be financed so donations keep flowing.
Sathya Sai Baba...'Alleged' pedophile, embezzler and murderer..Teachings are an eclectic mix of Hindu and other religions to suit more people..Claims to be an incarnation of Shirdi Baba.
Nithyananda......Alleged sexual and other irregularities.
Sri Sri Ravishankara....Big Biz...Roadshow Guru..broke away from Mahesh ...
Bhagavan and Sri of Oneness University......Big Biz Roadshow Guru.
Isha Foundation.....Big Biz...
2. Non Realised Neo-Advaitins and Verbal Non Dualists.
There are many of these...of whom their own Guru, Papaji said that they were not even a little bit enlightened and he sent them out to get the leeches off his back, in the hope some people would come to India for the real message..( 'It never happened'-David Godman).
Papaji said his own disciple-teachers,mooji, gangaji etc, were not even temporarily enlightened
I quoted Papaji the guru of cohen, gangaji, mooji etc.............I was not stating my own belief but Papaji's own statements to David Godman...I mention neo- advaitins and meat eaters like Mooji..who is famous for his 'lazy man's road to enlightenment' video on youtube. If you look you will see nervousness before he speaks and realises he has the crowd,,,only egos get nervous...My contention with the neo advaitins is that they essentially teach that sadhana to remove vasanas is not really necessary....although Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi did sadhanA before and after Moksha...........The Mundakya Upanishad says it is better to read the Upanishads and follow the teachings of real Gurus or Muktas..THAN FOLLOW NON REALISED TEACHERS...that is my advice and what I follow....I only know two muktas on the planet and they are Sr Mathru Sarada and Sri Lakshmana Swamy...both in the Ramana line..Also a death experience is necessary before complete realisation.... What I am saying is that many so called teachers and self-styled gurus are superflous--just entertainment............Tony
Papaji made it clear in the book "Nothing Ever Happened"--David Godman, that those he sent to
teach not only are not enlightened, they are not even temporarily enlightened.
#1. When asked about those he sent to teach, Papaji said that the purpose was to
have them point the way to Lucknow, not to pose as awakenened teachers.
#2. Papaji said that many can fool others into thinking they are liberated but
they are the false coin.
#3. When asked about the experiences that so many people had in Lucknow, he said
they were false experiences.... See More
#4. When asked, "Why did you give them false experiences?" he said to get the
leeches off my back.
#5. Papaji said he met only two Jnani's in his lifetime. One was Ramana
Maharshi. The other was a man who appeared from out of the jungle into the town
of Krishnagiri.
#6. Ramana Maharshi said that there is a false sense of liberation that
aspirants reach that very few ever go beyond.
Papajis sent out disciple-teachers include ..Mooji, Gangaji, Cohen and a whole host of neo advaitins ...These are all small fry in comparison to Nithyananda and Sai Baba.Then there are all the gurulings sprouting up in the business.
These include Gangaji, Mooji,and all other Papaji disciples who are known teachers..Then we have Adyashanti, Liquorman, Byron Katie,Sailor Bob,Tolle, Parsons, Cohen and more.
All non realised teachers claiming to have the 'philosopher's stone'....and the non dual knowledge..Apparently they have the knowledge to collect donations...and gullible disciples.Some are paying themselves salaries of 59K to 100K a year...and that is only what is declared.
This week we will take a look at;
1.New ones on the gurulings scene are Bentinho Massaro and Karen Richards, who have a good grasp of marketing themselves and their product and the psychology of dealing with disciples and followers...They don't teach anything new...just have learned all the concepts and non dual speak....If they stuck to philosophy they would be fine but like the rest they need to sell the 'Secret of the Philosopher's Stone'...They intimate as they are teachers they 'know' something when like the rest they are the blind leading the blind and taking donations...Essentially what they teach is what they call 'awareness' which in fact is a form of preparation for meditation only. However they take it to a level it doesn't exist on as Awareness is The Self or Universal Consciousness. What they consider to be awareness is just the ego quietly hiding and observing its own thoughts...the 'Thief in the Palace'...the Thief pretending to be the Policeman. So in the concentration and meditation preparation they are useful other than that they only have an entertainment value..As all they do is still in the mind...and is not NirVikalpa Samadhi ..Kevala or Sahaja..Any non dual state they lead to is deceptive and not liberation and only leads to re-birth as is evidenced by the fact they are here teaching the concepts the brought with them from previous lifetimes..
Michael Jeffreys and Cory Bright.
These gentlemen amongst others are enablers and ride point for these 'Actor Philosophers' as Nisargadatta Maharaj calls them....posting much from aspiring mini-mes gurulings like Bentinho Massaro, who collects donations for his 'work', which has a resounding similarity to the words of Muktas but misses the point with his own non-realised additions.. It is all part of the play of consciousness --------------including me writing this....
Sailor Bob Adamson and his new business partnership with Gilbert Schultz...
2.It now seem that Bob has gone in with Gilbert to use paypal to sell products...In fact the money goes to Gilbert's paypal account first..Bob's teaching are a regurgitation of the Jnanis which are given freely with no charge...Essentially the teachings of Nisargadatta Maharaj,Ramana Maharshi and others. Why people cannot buy the original teachings which are available I don't know...Neither Bob nor Gilbert are anywhere near realised. Even at a stretch they are superfluous....really..go direct to Ramana or Maharaj's sites. Apparently Gilbert Schultz has turned up on Facebook in a different name I am informed..Is William Richardson Gilbert? let me know...aoclery@yahoo.com
Sarlo's list of Gururatings..
Sarlo doesn't get into Jnanis and Muktas and just comments on their teachings and not where they come from. He doesn't get into Mysticism, Sadgurus and Muktas like I will. I post Sarlo's site to show the situation with how many are in the business...
http://www3.telus.net/public/sarlo/Ratings.htm
Oprah's Forum....Neo-Advaitins.....
http://www.oprah.com/community/message/509403
Here is a TV report on Eckhart Tolle, who is Oprah's business partner in her new spiritual enterprise or business pushing his books and lectures...at 200-300 dollars a lecture or 995 dollars for the weekend...........Tolle is an eclectic mix of Long, Gurdjieff, the Vedanta and other spiritual systems..........he claims some kind of enlightenment but contradicts his own teachings continually..........I have read him and he may be of some use to neophytes but a real Guru he is not----he is a businessman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BVLFtfjrkU
The Path of Advaita according to Shankara
For the purposes of this article, presented below is a very short
summary of the pre-requisites needed by a seeker before achieving
Self-Realization or Liberation (as specified by Shankara in his
Vivekachudamani - The Crest Jewel of Discrimination translated into
Tamil by Ramana Maharshi and from Tamil into English by Sir Arthur
Osborne).
In order to be qualified for enquiry into the
Self, a man must have a powerful intellect and ability to seize the
essential and reject the inessential besides the various qualities
enumerated in the scriptures. What are these? He must be able to
discriminate between the real and the unreal. He must have an
unattached mind. He must ardently desire liberation. And he must be
tireless in practice Only such one is qualified to enquire into
Brahman. The qualifications are enumerated as follows:
1. Discrimination between the real and the unreal.
2. Disinclination to enjoy the fruit's of one's actions.
3. The six virtues of tranquility, self-control, withdrawal, forbearance, faith, and concentration of the Self.
4. Intense yearning for liberation.
The aspirant must indeed have these qualities in
order to attain abidance in the Self; without them there can be no
realization of the Truth.
This then is the simplified version of Shankara's instructions for truth realization.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/tony-oclery/how-can-one-recognize-a-realized-teacher-or-sadguru/10150253877266218
IT IS AN ANALYSIS OF GURUS, GURULINGS AND SPIRITUAL TEACHERS IN COMPARISON WITH RECOGNISED REALISED TEACHERS OR MUKTAS.
Monday, August 22, 2011
To put it simply..1..there are gurus who are the Self and beyond the mind....they are real Sadgurus and Muktas.
To put it simply..1..there are gurus who are the Self and beyond the mind....they are real Sadgurus and Muktas.
2 All the rest who are unrealised are in the mind and can only talk in the mind...and the mind is the problem so how can somebody drowning in the ocean of mind help you from drowning in it?
Even if you take the life-force as god itself, the working principle is the life force . The consciousness is merely the witnessing process..Nisargadatta Maharaj...
When you are in a position to observe consciousness you are out of consciousness . Then you are what we call the 'awareness state'. the vijnana or jnana state.Niz.
NB. This is of course Sakti/Siva two sides to the same coin,,,
2 All the rest who are unrealised are in the mind and can only talk in the mind...and the mind is the problem so how can somebody drowning in the ocean of mind help you from drowning in it?
Even if you take the life-force as god itself, the working principle is the life force . The consciousness is merely the witnessing process..Nisargadatta Maharaj...
When you are in a position to observe consciousness you are out of consciousness . Then you are what we call the 'awareness state'. the vijnana or jnana state.Niz.
NB. This is of course Sakti/Siva two sides to the same coin,,,
Friday, August 19, 2011
Apparently the Advaita Vedantists were perturbed by my report.
Apparently the Advaita Vedantists were perturbed by my report. That is because they keep one foot in the superstition of Isvara camp....Here is a response to them ...
Namaste S********ji et al,
I think we can take Maharaj literally as he is talking about ajativada which is in complete agreement with what Ramana Maharshi says also..Even 'awareness' which is part of the Saguna Brahman concept is also unreal...for in NirGuna by definition alone, what can be aware of what? Maharaj is consistent in his statements and what he calls the life force is the sakti prana and what he calls the other side of the coin is consciousness or sive, hence siva-sakti..I do not worry too much about the semantics of it all; I just notice that the highest teachings of Ramana and Niz are exactly in agreement, with regard to all this, and literally. I find it somewhat difficult to disagree with two accepted Muktas who are in agreement with each other. They both agree that 'nothing ever happened', not even the appearance, and that is good enough for me.. I am not realised obviously as I am writing on here, however I practise my kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi regularly and there is no world or appearance there......Cheers Tony.
Namaste S********ji et al,
I think we can take Maharaj literally as he is talking about ajativada which is in complete agreement with what Ramana Maharshi says also..Even 'awareness' which is part of the Saguna Brahman concept is also unreal...for in NirGuna by definition alone, what can be aware of what? Maharaj is consistent in his statements and what he calls the life force is the sakti prana and what he calls the other side of the coin is consciousness or sive, hence siva-sakti..I do not worry too much about the semantics of it all; I just notice that the highest teachings of Ramana and Niz are exactly in agreement, with regard to all this, and literally. I find it somewhat difficult to disagree with two accepted Muktas who are in agreement with each other. They both agree that 'nothing ever happened', not even the appearance, and that is good enough for me.. I am not realised obviously as I am writing on here, however I practise my kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi regularly and there is no world or appearance there......Cheers Tony.
Thursday, August 18, 2011
The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj.
The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj.
The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness.The consciousness and the life force together may be given the highest name and The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj." that is atman.Iswara, whatever; but the jnani is not even that. The Jnani is apart from even the highest category. Having understood what the consciousness is and the life force is, I have never gone to anyone asked whether my view is correct or incorrect....Nisargadatta Maharaj.....
This is Niz talking of Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi or NirGuna....my entry on wikipedia re Ajativada explains this in detail...Tony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajativada
The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness.The consciousness and the life force together may be given the highest name and The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj." that is atman.Iswara, whatever; but the jnani is not even that. The Jnani is apart from even the highest category. Having understood what the consciousness is and the life force is, I have never gone to anyone asked whether my view is correct or incorrect....Nisargadatta Maharaj.....
This is Niz talking of Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi or NirGuna....my entry on wikipedia re Ajativada explains this in detail...Tony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajativada
Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Niz says there is no difference between any animals
Niz says there is no difference between any animals, insects or humans...just the process that is all......Overpopulation of any being is called an infestation. Right now the human simian is an infestation on the planet.....Gaia might shake her fleas.
The muktas and the upanishads say it is better to read the words of a dead mukta
-.The muktas and the upanishads say it is better to read the words of a dead mukta than to listen to the words of a live guru who is not a mukta...........no sakitpat...tolle and all the other actor philosophers and businessmen have no saktipat...therefore their teachings run off eventually like water off a ducks back---they don't penetrate--
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