Ramana Maharshi says that the Devas, Pisachas(demons), Iswaras, and all the other Astral dwellers are as real as one is and are a hierarchy

Ramana Maharshi says that the Devas, Pisachas(demons), Iswaras, and all the other Astral dwellers are as real as one is and are a hierarchy...When we get moksha all disappear of course...In the meantime these good and ego/evil spirits exist....Also Ramana says on death we go to the Astral in between human lives etc... Both Devas and Pisachas do take incarnation on the planet for their own reasons Devas to be released from their happiness and the Pisachas to experience more the material and ego....( as in leaders of PR China, Russia, Iran. Syria etc). We cannot ignore this and rely on our incredulity to let them operate without noticing. Also Pisachas are in fundy religions like violent and sharia Islam. Even Cayce in his readings spoke of the enemies of the law of one not only being politicians but also in their own religions....and his verifiable readings were over 90% correct indicating the non verfiable were as good. When the Bible and other religions talk about this being Saitan'sn plane....the inference is actually true....I don't believe in a Devil but there are Demons.... All countries are a mix but for opposites sake there are Demonic Countries...

SAMADHI ALONE CAN REVEAL THE TRUTH....Sri Ramana Maharshi.

SAMADHI ALONE CAN REVEAL THE TRUTH....Sri Ramana Maharshi...p 159. 'Be as you are'. NB.There are different levels of Samahi with and without effort culminating in Moksha or Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi...It is the going up and coming down into or through consciousness where it is revealed as samadhi is beyond consciousness and mind............................. · NirVikalpa anyway...NB Vedanta Samadhis doesn't equate with the Buddhist Samadhi's or 'States', exactly.

Ramana says when one begins to die

1. It never happened at all...........ajativada see my wikipedia entry. 2. Within illusion there is an ego and at death of the body the attributes, samskaras and memories provide the energy for a new body, any body. 3,Ramana says when one begins to die, hard breathing sets in and that means one has become unconscious of the dying body. The mind at once takes hold of another body and goes back and forth like a dream,violent breaths mean the ego or mind is coming back to the old body...This transitional state is like a dream sequence until the transition is complete. 4. Ramana says there is always a body. I suppose in any subtle plane or dimension. This period is a strange period as many have a second death where they remain in the vital body for a few days before leaving that shell and moving on..Presumably they have made the transition and are obe....

The body consists of the physical, subtle and causal

The body consists of the physical, subtle and causal...They are all part and parcel and when the physical dies the others remain....So when moody and others talk about life after death.........there is no death just dissolution of the physical form. The vital form, which looks like the physical drops in the 'second death' after a few days and then the old personality is gone and what moves on is a cloud of attributes, tendencies and memories (karma)...That it the energy for a new body any type.............Tony

Also for ordinary people that die---grieving doesn't help them it binds them.

My mother died in dementia on the 20th June in Ireland. I am not sad as she is better off than being imprisoned in a body with no mind to speak of...I am not wallowing in grief as that is attachment and self indulgence...I have no power over any action in this delusion...human love is only attachment not real love...it is just pollyanna and ego for who is it that grieves and over what? ...There is only the life-force/consciousness or siva/sakti which we all are...my mother has not gone anywhere............my mother is what i called that body...The only power i have is the power to have an opinon not change the action....People grieve because it is about THEIR LOSS THEIR ATTACHMENT NOT THE OBJECT OF LOSS...suggest reading 'I am that' by Nisargadatta Maharaj.... Also for ordinary people that die---grieving doesn't help them it binds them..After a person 'dies' the conscious mind is in the vital body for usually a few days. This body is part of the subtle and looks like the person. A demented person is no longer demented in this form so it is better to try and think about them and talk to them for the last time instead of wasting time on selfish indulgences like grief. My mother came and visited me as all my relatives seem to....and we had a short 'loving and mutually forgiving' conversation. I did not try to find her like I did her sister my aunt and found the shell of vital body as she had gone through the second death and moved on............I talked to my father in the same way when he was in the Bardo and didn't know where he was........SO DO NOT WALLOW IN GRIEF HAVE A LAST CLEAR CONVERSATION,,,,TONY.

Do not wast time in self indulgent grief

My mother died in dementia on the 20th June in Ireland. I am not sad as she is better off than being imprisoned in a body with no mind to speak of...I am not wallowing in grief as that is attachment and self indulgence...I have no power over any action in this delusion...human love is only attachment not real love...it is just pollyanna and ego for who is it that grieves and over what? ...There is only the life-force/consciousness or siva/sakti which we all are...my mother has not gone anywhere............my mother is what i called that body...The only power i have is the power to have an opinon not change the action....People grieve because it is about THEIR LOSS THEIR ATTACHMENT NOT THE OBJECT OF LOSS...suggest reading 'I am that' by Nisargadatta Maharaj.... Also for ordinary people that die---grieving doesn't help them it binds them..After a person 'dies' the conscious mind is in the vital body for usually a few days. This body is part of the subtle and looks like the person. A demented person is no longer demented in this form so it is better to try and think about them and talk to them for the last time instead of wasting time on selfish indulgences like grief. My mother came and visited me as all my relatives seem to....and we had a short 'loving and mutually forgiving' conversation. I did not try to find her like I did her sister my aunt and found the shell of vital body as she had gone through the second death and moved on............I talked to my father in the same way when he was in the Bardo and didn't know where he was........SO DO NOT WALLOW IN GRIEF HAVE A LAST CLEAR CONVERSATION,,,,TONY. NIZ says that there is no reincarnation as such....but in the unrealised there is a cloud of dreams of tendencies, attributes and memories(karma), that provide the energy for a new body.................hence a new personality etc Do not touch me as I have not yet ascended to my Father...Jesus outside the tomb to the Mary Magdalene..This is the final death experience req'd of all muktas...........

Very simply everything goes through the 3 gunas of rajas, tamas and sattva

-- Very simply everything goes through the 3 gunas of rajas, tamas and sattva continually in the universe that is what it is . It is not possible to be in one state continually ie bliss unless one is above the gunas that is a realised mukta..........very simple fact that is all............For without the disturbance of prakriti with the gunas no 'creation' would take place. I have no intention of attaching myself to 'life' the only people that i ever met who were claiming to be in 'bliss' all the time were either deluded or were phoney gurus and teachers trying to attract people to them.....to get some bliss.............as i said 3 gunas cannot be avoided, except by a mukta. Also the earth plane is an interface between the lokas and patalas or heavens and hells and therefore also is a matter of joy between two griefs..rotating...-----------even the mentally ill are bi-polar.

give up all trash you are studying

I am trying to tell you ;Give up all this trash whatever you are studying in the name of religion , in the name of spirituality . Understand only one thing ..that 'godly' principle is there, that 'I amness' or consciousness-that is the godliest of principles.It is there only as long as the vital breath is there --(-prana)..Nisargadatta Maharaj.

AGT and Sakti

Watched AGT last night and an opera singer nurse from a care home got a lot of sympathy...People sympathise with people who help others as at a deep level people know that all is one...So even though it is emotion at the evident level the ground level is Love....or Sakti not just emotion.... I am not this not this but that the consciousness and even that defers eventually to nirguna...

In the death process the ego or ahamkara reveals itself

In the death process the ego or ahamkara reveals itself as really separate from the instinctive or lower mind or manas...The instinctive-species mind will tell the body complex it is time to let go and leave and maybe stop eating and drinking like the animals do. The ego however which is a possessing entity will confuse any life as an attachment and will not let go until it is no longer pleasant or possible to remain in the dying body...in the meantime it goes backwards and forwards like a caterpillar with its feet on the new leaf and at the same time its back feet on the old leaf.We are possessed by an entity the ego a false entity....

With regard to the subtle body joining/forming with the individual jiva

Tony O'Clery With regard to the subtle body joining/forming with the individual jiva..the venarable Prof VK writes:-- Namaste The answer is contained both in Garbhopanishad (as Venkata Sriram has suggested) and also in Bhagavatam III-31. In Garbhopanishad it says: saptame mAse jIvena samyukto bhavati. In the seventh month it becomes united to the Jiva. So this is the starting point of this individualised sukshma sharira in this body. In Bhagavatam III-31 it says, Arabhya saptamAn mAsAn labdhabodhopi vepitaH , meaning, From the seventh month, he is conscious. To be conscious, he has to have a mind, and so this is the starting point of the sukshma sharira in this body. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Tony O'Clery Cayce says for example the entity may not even enter until the first 23 hour cycle around birth and even switich entities...so as with everything there is always a variable. Tuesday at 11:03am · Like · 1 Tony O'Clery I think usual is around 20 weeks to 28 weeks.... Tuesday at 11:03am · Like

Death process

Tony O'Clery The death process of ego is that the entity or cloud of attributes and tendencies and ego enter the foetus from 20 weeks to full term somewhere..sometimes in first 24 birth cycle and sometimes switch.. The child then takes years to learn how to function, attach/bond and walk etc etc. The ego is the string or sutra all the thoughts are strung along...as the person dies the entitiy starts to withdraw looking for a new body..As it does this the mind starts to lose its string and the thoughts become disorganised and random and may even seem imbalanced but is just because there is no constant driver so to speak..Also the instincts and emotions come to the fore as they are unrestricted and behaviour changes and sometimes can be violent even just as simian instincts are. Eventually the transition is made and that is what we call death.....·There is no time and the ego has to shake its attachment as it has to realise the old body cannot function to entertain the desires, attachments and needs This entity or ego goes back and forth in the transfer process to the new body and eventually the transition occurs...All this only happens as long as one thinks one is or needs a body... A body does not have to be a human simian material one...It can be subtle or interdimensional....as Ramana says 'there is always a body'. Some advanced unrealised yogis have been know to enter and revitalise a human body on the funeral pyre...and walk away rather than be reborn somewhere....This is even recorded in the annals of Alexander the Great...

Only a seeker or Sadhaka and Mukta can understand

Only a seeker or Sadhaka and Mukta can understand another sadhaka...As what you are becoming is completely anathema to ordinary people...People will regard your emotional detachment as a lack of compassion, and your lack of interest in the mundane activities of the world as hostile..........It is a lonely road and if you talk about it people will dislike or hate you as they want to remain in the pollyanna emotional delusion.....where warm fuzzies are mistaken for progress..........

When people die they either attain moksha or they enter the subtle realms of the illusion

When people die they either attain moksha or they enter the subtle realms of the illusion no matter how much they cry to Jesus or God or an alpha ape in the sky...It is only the alpha ape concept that makes them superstitious as the are full of fear as the ego is fear itself and cannot face the memories of its previous death experiences or after death rather and the hell consciousness of the omissions and deed that they themselves perceive to be right or wrong... They want imaginary god to forgive them and take them his arms and comfort them....no such luck the angels/devas and or the ghoulies are waiting for you..as you created them. This is part of the fear of death the memory of the hellish guilty consciousness and of course separation from out attachments.....................

Tony O'Clery Niz says what survives is like a cloud of attributes and tendencies and memories...Ramana goes into deeper descriptions of the death experience..and remember i was initiated by the Siddha in the ashram in the 1989..and went consciously through the dimensions and koas to 'No Mind'........
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AHIMSA AND DAYA=MOKSHA

It looks like a small step but the step into vegetarianism is a like bridging a gulf of immense size. As the habit, addiction, alibis, and social programming is difficult to overcome as it has to do with awareness and the development of the vijnanamayakosa. It has to do with sensitivity to the suffering of an animal never mind the health issues. If one cannot have compassion for the suffering of the animal then one can never see all as one..and one only lives in the frontal lobes of illusory intelligence and ego...AHIMSA AND DAYA=MOKSHA a simple equation. If one cannot grasp that then one is condemned to live in the windmills of the mind./
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One must love the other for the 'Self's ' sak

One must love the other for the 'Self's ' sake not for ones own sake. If your friend or relative is ailing or seriously ill don't think in terms of your potential loss but have compassion for their condition. That is love otherwise fretting about your loss is attachment and selfishness.................

Selvi yes I agree and awakened
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Max I agree Tony true compassion has no ulterior motive. But how many of us can achieve this state???
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Tony O'Clery Max has to put oneself in the place of the ailing person mentally instead of in one's own selfish place....and fear of loss.....
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Tony O'Clery The Self i use here is the big Self or the 'Life Force', Prana or god or whatever name you give it....
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Cathy so true
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The futility of human existence

The futility of human existence is in cycles; nothing is ever permanently changed for the good like the humanists expect...Procrastination is the thief of time but Hope is the thief of sadhana and moksha....Human nature will never change as long as the dog's hind leg is bent...For humans carry with them all the vasanas and tendencies of the animals they once were, without instinctual seasons. The Ego itself is really the reactiv defence mechanism to identify 'who' is getting hurt of experiencing. This in turn is amplified and misused by the human mind. This may seem cynical the obvious is often cause....; That we are an interface between the lokas and patalas and mixture of joy and grief, both of which we have to rise above...For why would the Devas take birth so they can overcome their happiness....If there is any reason at all for human simian existence it is to realise the futility of human existence....only Mosha is the escape.

Kevala NirVikalpa Samadhi is the Royal Road

Every occupation we have, every interest, every business, every hobby, every course of study, every religion, every use of mind is just distraction....and diversion...Only Kevala NirVikalpa Samadhi is the Royal Road.

If one must the only thought and speech to take not of is 'Who am I?' 'I am That'.

Then one will find nothing is happening at all.

MEXICAN BOND SCAM

THE MEXICAN BOND SCAM. Similar to the structured investment vehicle sub-prime scam.First lest dispel the delusions of Billions of dollars and Trillions and Quadrillions. This not money but digitals it cannot be taken out of the country or to a bank. It is in the main fully estimated projections over a number of years like 20 or more. plus there is a 80% min humanitarian deduction. The GDP of the USA last year was 14T the whole world 40T..5 Billion will buy an aircraft carrier....so these pieces of paper are not worth that..lets get real...otherwise Mark Zuckeberg, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet could not afford one.



HERE IS THE BREAK DOWN on a trading platform
INSTRUMENT ARE MONETIZED UP TO 90% OF FACE
PLATFORM TAKES 5% OF GROSS PROFITS
80% GOES TO HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS.
IT IS IN A MONITORED SEGREGATED ACCOUNT IN THE BENEFICIAL OWNER OF THE INSTRUMENT NAME.
MONITORED BY THE FED RESERVE AND IS ACCOUNTABLE IN A DRAW ACCOUNT
OWNER OF THE INSTRUMENT RECEIVES 14% Gross.

The real street value can be seen at glabarre.com studios or on ebay and craiglist.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC31Oudc5BgMexican Government Statement on their Bonds. BONDS THAT WERE OLD DEBTIn response to numerous inquiries made to the Ministry of FinanceOffice and the Central Bank, it is public knowledge that the bondsold debt issued by the Mexican State between 1850 and 1951 todayworthless days since the deadline passed for payment, and do not giveaction or other right to its holder, which has been confirmed by the PowerFederal Judicial...So there you are they are worthless and all this broker bullshit about Hacienda quoting prices is total rubbish.. Here is a legal history on the 4 Head Presidents....an insight sent to me.... http://aoclery.yolasite.com/mexican-bond-scam.php .They do not record names at Hacienda only folio numbers as the bonds are 'Bearer Bonds', you just need sales receipts and provenance as in art and antiques.There are only about 5 real buyers who can perform in the world, and will pay the others will only use the bonds package.My friend who is an associate of Hacienda told me that he only personally knew of 10 real transactions last year and he was associated with one for 500K. He also said the Govts want to know who own the bonds and where they are at.. probably for a future re-certifying as a security at a lower price and interest. He also said the platforms are mis-appropriating the bonds...The platforms use the bonds as an agreed ‘Temporary Bridge Collateral’ to get a line of credit or loan to start a ‘Trade’, as the bond has no intrinsic value this amount is paid back from the first trades.. THIS LEAVES THE BOND STILL ALIVE AND NOT MONETISED AS IT WAS ONLY USED FOR COLLATERAL THIS MEANS IT CAN BE USED TIME AFTER TIME AND NEVER BE REDEEMED. ALSO TO DO THIS THEY DO NOT NEED THE BOND ONLY OWNER’S NAME AND FOLIO NUMER IN A KYC. Nobody complains as the IMF gets 80% of the tranches into humanitarian projects, which is a broad stroke and can involve JV and future equity for the platforms. Some so called humanitarian projects are barely that and are strictly profit making with equity and future JV profits..So getting tax breaks on the tranches from the trading.The owner will be put under a silence order and confidentiality agreement to say nothing about how much they received for the bond...which is now owned by the platform ,OR JV,for future temporary collateral. These agreements never come to light and therefore never come to your paymaster, only the owner, the platform, the compliance and some intake officers get a kick-back .THE BROKER NEVER HEARS ABOUT THE BOND AGAIN IT GOES DOWN A BLACK HOLE NOT SOLD, AS IT NEVER WAS SOLD, ONLY COLLATERALISED NOT MONETISED AS THE LOAN IS PAID BACK. THE PLATFORM DOESN’T EVEN NEED THE BOND JUST THE PACKAGE AS IN MANY CASES THERE IS A JV WITH THE LISTED OWNER. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE SWISS BANK SCAM WHERE THEY COLLATERALISE GOLD IN THEIR BANKS WHICH IS NOT OWNED BY THEMMost brokers or intermediaries never find out who the platforms are or their names so they can never follow up the scam or rort... Matrix 7 is one which my Hacienda Associate told me is owned by the Bush Family...and another was called Prakash Platform but there are thousands of them.YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION WHERE HAVE ALL THESE THOUSANDS OF BONDS GONE AND WHY YOU DON’ T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN PAID. I PERSONALLY HAVE SUBMITTED OVER TWO THOUSAND SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS AND INTAKE OFFICERS, MANY OF THEM GET PAID ON ALMOST A SALARY TO COLLECT PACKAGES FOR THE PLATFORMS...ANYONE WITH A SECURITIES TRADING LICENSE CAN BE A PLATFORM.In this way it is similar to the siv subprime scam, where packages were sold all around the world without paperwork from the mortgage.................NB. The four head President bond the platforms want has NO FOLIO NUMBER yet they deal with it. How can compliance possible be done on a bond that cannot be traced as real? This is more evidence of a scam in the platforms...Also I believe the 1843 27500 pesos Black Eagle was never ever issued by Mexico? But was a fake based on the 20,000K I actually have a jpeg on how it was done...I was informed that the 4headed was actually redeemed and destroyed years ago...These fake bonds and notes discovered in Italy to the value of 6T are more than likely laundered as temporary bridging collateral through the trading platforms.. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/italy-police-seize-6-trillion-of-fake-u-s-treasury-bonds-in-switzerland.htmlScammers blacklist on ppp etchttp://insidetradellc.com/forum/fraud-protection/23-blacklist-private-placement-brokers-traders-avoid.html I will be eventually adding a forum where people can give their opinons on intake officers, buyer's reps, and even platforms, performing or not., plus opinons on intermediaries in the Mexican Bond business will also be added......... pleiadesventures@yahoo.comThe Rogues and liars and bulldust artists will be named in a non libelous way.






Name those that are slow or never get back or deals disappear or are telling patent untruths. 1. A platform that Michael Alf and Mary de P were next to, took dozens of my bonds and couldn't perform at all even lost 50+ bonds from the Maori Nation to another buyer----useless..Rating Zero out of 10.2. Platform next to Jodie also had dozens of bonds in Prakash Platform and the Bush Family Matrix 7....useless could not perform.Rating Zero out of 10.3. Platform that Val Pa, Joe B and Don To were next to could not perform on over 2000 bonds. Even kept 17 Blueberries for a month and then returned them out of date...probably took the CIS, the sellers name and bond folio number and traded anyway and ripped everybody off. If I can prove they ripped me off a full report will be going into the SEC and FBI. To also told me that one seller of mine from South America was blacklisted and turned down 10BBs--..I found out she was not blacklisted, and was quite acceptable at other platforms and intakes.. This particular group do not get back, cannot work zips, and out of over 2000 bonds may be got back on less than a handful. Leaving the situation wide open to abuse as one never knows what happened to their submissions...I still have no report on bonds gone into ppp supposedly...I will never put any bonds in there and advise others not to...They are my worst experience on the net with bonds by far...most have been there up to three years and never been paid...Also by omission they 'forgot' to tell me that they were not direct to the buyer and it wasn't until months later that Val Pa admitted that he was not direct to the buyer but two away!Ratings Zero out of 10.Ratings Zero out of 10.4. Another non performing platform was next to Fred Bo and was next to a certain Simone B..they could not do anything at all complete non performers.Rating Zero out of 10.




Everything is always secret and secrecy usually means something wrong...are banks secret about their names? A lot of platforms are just 4 guys in the underwear sitting around the kitchen table with a connection to a 'trader'..So not all brokers mentioned is it personal it is a way of identifying the platform only which is what the platforms want a buffer. So I not condemning the brokers mentioned as they are conned just like the rest of us. Intakes AND DIRECT BROKERS are different they are retained by the platforms and probably paid.I was forced to go to other more likely intakes...direct to Beijing and Zurich, but on PPPs.ALSO BAD SELLERS SHOULD BE LISTED...Not just those 'blacklisted' by the platforms...Now especially of new SEC rules on them...IE..The bond the consultant and the bad seller will all be blacklisted by the SEC itself...I don't know how this would affect other work in commodities...I will invite a list of those that have wasted my time so later brokers don't waste theirs, others will be added from my own experienceI personally have been called by the FBI in Washington State, twice, to surrender emails on a broker they were investigating--so I know they are active. I surrendered the emails of course..[4:17:15 PM] J Got this back earlier today:[4:17:16 PM] J " A trader can not use the bond without the owners approval, for collateral or for anything else. IF you go to a bank with just a folio number, the bank will have to see the bond. that is why banks ask for skr, or ownership. the owner has to approve all that goes on with bonds according to the SEC attorney i just spoke with."[4:17:22 PM] Tony O'Clery: my article has ruffled a few feathers but they haven't been paid either just cult like thinking.[4:20:33 PM] Tony O'Clery: that is a lot of crap...these are no good at the bank as they are not securities they are a treaty asset ruled on by a us district court...YOU CANNOT TAKE AN PIECE D'ART TO THE BANK. The sec attorney is talking out of his arse...they are not securities so do not come under sec actually...only when used as temp bridge collateral... They are supposed to have the bond but the lender may lend without it as the bond is worthless anyway...they get their money back straight away asap. how do they lend on a 4 head prez with no folio number as it was burned long ago...or a 27500 that was never issued by mex govt.??????????????? would you take a dollar bill without a number? some say the folio number is in the water mark on the back but all the interest payment coupons have been used as well. it is all a scam and there is probably a lot more going on that we don't know.... they want the tax dodge on the humanitarians and we know that is a broad brush...and they want an excuse to get hold of lines of credit to trade...they don't trade the bond it is useless.: if the platform has the package what is stopping them using the folio number etc later with a 'cooperative lending officer'. it is returned in the first tow tranches anyway...and all[4:25:28 PM] Tony O'Clery: but their responses are interesting...where is bernie madoff?[4:28:01 PM] J: <<< bernie madoff?ha - yeah! he would have loved this one no jail,,,,just like subprime no jail.Genuine market prices with kyc of bonds..... http://www.glabarre.com/item/So_Called__Blueberry____The_Banco_Central_Mexicano___Price_Upon_Request/2714Comments: From topix forum on mexican bonds; "" IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER PURCHASING THESE BONDS. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL GET YOUR PACKAGE USE THE NUMBER LOCK IT IN AND COMMENCE TRADING WITHOUT EVER PAYING YOU ANYTHING. ALL""Extract off a forum....(I did not write this)...byMIDDLE MEN WILL NEVER GET PAID...Seattle.WA. He obviously is frustrated by the situation... YOU HAVE SO MUCH GREED AND DEMISE CIRCLING AROUND THESE BONDS. THE CHINESE WON'T PAY YOU ONE PENNY. EVERY COMPLETE PACKAGE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE ENDS WITH THE SAME EXCUSE. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND IN THE BOND BUSINESS FROM THE DAY THEY BEGAN THERE TRIALS OF ENTICEMENTS. IF YOU CONTINUE WORKING THE BOND BUSINESS YOU WILL CONTINUE MAKING THE PRICIPLES RICHER. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE ONE CENT! THEY WILL TELL YOU IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO RECEIVE MORE THAN $100.000 INTO YOUR U.S. BANK ACCOUNT.THEN THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN'T PAY YOU BECAUSE THE BANKS ARE IN A WORLD MEETING CHANGING TO THE NEW BUYING PERCEEDURES. LIES UPON LIES ON TOP OF MORE LIES! SOME OF THE MOST EXPEREINCED BROKERS ARE GETTING FOOLED BY ALL OF THE HYPE. YOU HEAR STORIES OF SELLERS TURNING DOWN QUADS OF MONEY. WHY? BECAUSE NONE OF THE BROKERS WILL EVER SEE ONE DOLLAR. SELLERS ARE TOLD TO LIE IF THEY ARE TO GET PAID. SO WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY TELL YOU THE WILDEST STORIES AND YOU BELIEVE THEM WHILE REMAINING TO BRING IN PACKAGES ONLY TO HEAR THE SAME STORIES WITH A LITTLE DIFFEERNT PILE OF MARLARKY ATTACHED TO IT. REST ASSURED FOLKS, YOU WILL SPIN YOUR WHEELS NIGHT AND DAY WITHOUT EVER BEING COMPESATED.WATCH OUT FOR THOSE WHO WILL CUT YOU OUT AS QUICK AS THEY WILL ROB THEIR OWN MOTHER. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THOSE CLAIMING TO DO MORE OF THE WORK ONLY TO STEAL THE DEAL FROM YOU. HAVE YOU BEEN PROMISED TO SPIT ALL COMMISSIONS EQAULLY TO FIND OUT LATER SOME GREEDY S.O.B. SNUCK HIS WAY THROUGH TO YOUR SOURCES TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM DOING MORE WORK. THE BANKS ARE LAUGHING AT ALL OF YOU IDIOTS!YOUR ALL A BUNCH THIEVING A-HOLES! IF NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A PROOF OF FUNDS, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER PURCHASING THESE BONDS. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL GET YOUR PACKAGE USE THE NUMBER LOCK IT IN AND COMMENCE TRADING WITHOUT EVER PAYING YOU ANYTHING. ALL OF THOSE SELLERS WHO HAVE TURNED IN PACKAGES ONLY TO HEAR THE EXCUSE OF YOUR PACKAGE HAS BEEN SEEN TOO MANY TIMES AS YOUR TOLD YOU HAVE BEEN DENIED IS FALSE. SOMEONE IS BEING PAID FROM YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT BECAUSE OF THEIR NEW MADE UP LAWS THAT SAYS BROKERS CAN'T BE PAID FOR REASONS OF NOT HAVING A SECURITY LICENSE OR OTHER BOGUS REASONS THEY MAKE UP ON A DAILY BASIS! SORRY TO BUST ALL OF YOUR BUBBLES BUT YOUR ALL CROOKS ANYWAY AND NONE OF YOU DESERVE TO GET PAID.I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE WORST AND SIDING WITH THE WORST IN NEVER WANTING TO TRULY FOLLOW THROUGH ON COMPESATING THOSE WHO HAVE BROUGHT YOU THE DEAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.EXTRACT FROM INT'L TREATY AND FED RULES:2008. Also pop must be done before pof................This is a very important message to anyone involved in the commodities industry on the new measures with respect to Buyers and Sellers conducting oil and other commoditiestransactions. From now on, if an ICPO, LOI, RWA, or BCL is issued and thedocument is not real, the Buyer will be able to inform to theFBI, ICC, and INTERPOL. In addition, after an FCO is sent to the Buyer, there should be a formal answer to Seller from Buyer. If there’s no response from the Buyer in a timely manner, the buying company will be reported to the FBI, ICC, and INTERPOL. If this action is repeated by sellers, they too will also be reported for abuse of the NCND, LOI, ICPO, AND RWA OR BCL,FOR THIS IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE. It is important to transmit this to all clients that work with providers that are members of the ICC, FBI, and other international organizations. From this point forward, the international codes will bestrictly enforced to exclude all intruders that send out false information. Those who submit a false NCND/IMFPA, LOI, ICPO, RWA or BCL, or FCO, as well as FALSE PROOF OF PRODUCT(POP), WILL BE CHARGE WITH A CRIME. This went into effect on November 15, 2008 after a meetingwas held between the Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, Interpol, Federal Bureau of Investigation and CentralIntelligence Agency. The reason for this measurement is to protect thecommodities industry which is a fundamental part of the world’s economy.I have read and understood the severity of the warning above and do realize the serious impact that pertains to alloil and other commodities transactions.ENTRY ON FAKE BONDS AND FAKE EUROCLEAR DOCUMENTS..Today fake BCV bonds are the latest scams. You can purchase Fake Euroclear documents with a REAL ISIN number in anyones name WITH supporting BCV documents for around $30K USD. For awhile, people where going around printing fake BGs from HSBC and Barclays.Now, they are trying to print fake BCVs and Mexican historical bonds. Historical bonds cannot be secured for a line of credit. A real trading transaction is ONLY triggered by CASH. Some brokers claim to trade historical bonds but I assure you its part of a scam as not one trading bank anywhere in the world is using collateral in the form of a historical bond..Scammers can't fake real bank to bank communications and that's where they fall short and the scam ends and the same deals keep circulating just with different names.Of course the bond itself is not used as collateral to trade but only to get a temporary line of credit..which is bought back quickly as the bond is worthless. http://aoclery.yolasite.com/mexican-bond-scam.php LIST OF SCAMMERS FALSE INTAKES AND CIRCUMVENTERS AND GENEOLOGY CLEANERS... A list of bad intermediaries will be placed here....you can submit evidence to me at pbinc_2@yahoo.com 5. Elayne and Bill Rubin....I sent a bond to and the seller Mr Huizing got back to me and told me that somebody had tried to wipe my name off the geneology and then took it to Mayfair a known non performer...Don Manzano was perhaps not next to the chinese redemption in this case but bloody mayfair in the caymans.

If you want to observe love without attachments or ego

If you want to observe love without attachments or ego...watch an 18mos old child kiss a one year old child.......just the impulse of the life force recognising itself..Bala Krishna consciousness. As the child recognises the ego/ahamkara and ages it becomes attachment and emotional sentiment covered in vasanas.............

The Incarnations of Jesus Christ According to Edgar Cayce

The Incarnations of Jesus Christ According to Edgar Cayce

Amilius

the entity that Cayce described living in the lost civilization of Atlantis who redirected the process of human evolution by creating a more appropriate physical form for the influx of souls to incarnate into rather than incarnating into the ape-like human form which souls had entangled themselves in.

Adam

Adam was the first "son of man" and "son of God"; the Christ soul after his incarnation into a physical body (corresponding to Genesis 2).

Enoch

Enoch was the antideluvian patriarch who journeyed to heaven to receive mysteries.

Hermes

Hermes, also known as Thoth, was the architect of the Great Pyramid and the sage who began the Hermetic tradition.

Melchizedek Melchizedek was the mystical high priest and king of Salem (ancient Jerusalem).

Joseph Joseph was the son of Jacob who became the Prince of Egypt.

Joshua Joshua was the warrior who led the Israelites into the Promised Land.

Asaph Asaph was the music director and seer who served under David and Solomon.

Jeshua

Jeshua was the high priest who helped organize the return from exile and the rebuilding of the temple (as recounted in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah) and who is claimed by Cayce to have compiled and translated the books of the Bible

Zend

Zend, also spelled "Zen", "Zan", "Sen", or "San," was the father of Zoroaster who wrote the Zend Avesta and founded the religion Zoroastrianism

Jesus

Jesus was the man who attained complete "at-one-ment" as the divine-human unity known as "the Christ"
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Tony O'Clery This of course doesn't cover incarnations in India and other parts of the world...as Cayce was only interested in a particular area...really.
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Tony O'Clery ‎-----According to Cayce, Jesus was sixteen years old when his education about the ways of the ancient teachers began. First, he traveled to Egypt where, as an infant, Jesus was taken after his birth by his parents to flee Herod as the Gospel of Matthew states. After spending time learning in Egypt, Jesus spent three years in India and finally a year in Persia----
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Satyadev Niyogi A realized soul has no re-birth. Jesus will not be reborn as he was a mukta. His grace is ever lasting and is there for people to meditate upon.
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Tony O'Clery yes he won't be back he doesn't exist anymore he was a Mukta...
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Tony O'Clery They mix up Christ soul with Jesus soul a lot as they don't understand the meaning of Christ Consciousness or Krishna Consciouness- Kutashta Chaitanya...
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Good long video by Wolinsky on Nisargadatta Maharaj.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8176175212783439931


Good long video by Wolinsky on Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Just deleted myself from ruthless truth group on FB

Just deleted myself from ruthless truth group on FB...after only one day...I have never so many deluded, pompous, dilettantes in one place..locked in their own minds guaranteeing continuous rebirth........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyLIYVrd5U

niz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyLIYVrd5U

Human love and sentiment is the antithesis of true spirituality.

Human love and sentiment is the antithesis of true spirituality.
Because they are actually attachment....of the ego.

Tim There's a fine line on that one... if dependency is involved, I agree.

attachment and dependency are words for the same vasana.

No fine line-----a chasm in fact.......

Grief is a scar in the mind...don't scratch it.....

Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body..

Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body..
by Tony O'Clery on Sunday, September 11, 2011 at 7:30am

Let me make it clear...When the ego dies or leaves so does the body.....In all cases except in the cases of Muktas the Consciousness using the purified vijnanamayakosa re-energised the DEAD BODY and the Mukta appears to live..Jesus, Ramana, Maharaj, Lakshamana, Saradamma all attest to this..In fact in D Godman's book...'No mind I am the Self' Saradamma's death is described and Lakshamana's part in the revival...All muktas have to go through this according to Nisargadatta Maharaj...so this leaves all so called teachers who haven't as just 'Actor Philosophers' as Niz says...There are two definate qualifications for a Mukta....1. Literal Death Experience. and 2. Teach through Mouna or silence...

Animal Muktas.२.

Animal Muktas.

Lakshmi came near and started licking the papers. Bhagavan looked up and said: "Wait a little, Lakshmi." But Lakshmi went on licking. Bhagavan laid his paper aside, put his hands behind Lakshmi's horns and his head against hers. Like this they stayed for quite a long time. After some ten minutes or so, Bhagavan t...urned to me and said: "Do you know what Lakshmi is doing? She is in Samadhi."

Samadhis are built for Saints...Once an Ashram deer was attacked by some animal and the wounds turned from bad to worse. Sri Bhagavan sat near the deer and held its face in his hands, looking at its tearful eyes. Sri Bhagavan sat like that for a couple of hours. Chinnaswami asked my uncle who was standing close to look after the deer and relieve ... See MoreSri Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan heard this but did not make any response. Sri Bhagavan sat there till the deer breathed its last. That was the compassion that Sri Bhagavan had for that deer. Soon after, Sri Bhagavan went to the hall. There is a Samadhi for the deer in the Ashram.

Swamy came across a cobra that had been woman in its last life.-----The cobra stopped in front of him raised its hood and looked at Swamy's eyes. Swamy looked back and the two of them gazed at each other for a few second...The cobra then lowered its hood and did pradakshina of Swamy's house.....After three visits it didn't return...Sri Lakshmana Swamy.

""The story if Cow Lakshmi is particularly moving as we have the full details of it, stetching from the time when she came as a calf in 1926 till her mukti in June 1948. When she was young and frisky, occasionally she would damage the vegetable garden. However when she was blamed for it, Ramana would immediately defend her saying, "She is not to be blamed. She went where she found good food. If you didn't want her to go there you ought to have fenced the garden properly to keep her out." "...On June 17. 1948, Lakshmi fell ill. The following morning, June 18, it looked as if the end was near. At about 10 o'clock in the morning Ramana went to her. '...He found her breathing hard and she was lying prostrate. Taking her head into his arms, stroking her neck, Ramana fixed his gaze on her eyes." "...Her breathing became steady immediately. Tears began to trickle from her eyes. Ramana's eyes too overflowed as he looked at her with great love. How could those standing nearby hold back their emotions?" "He asked her tenderly, "Amma, do you want me to be near you? I must go now as people are waiting for me in the hall. But wherever I may be, I am always with you." "Then he placed his hand in her head as though givng diksha. He put his hand over her heart also and then caressed her, placing his cheek against her face. When he had convinced himself that her heart was pure, free from all vasanas entailing rebirth and centered solely on him, he took leave of her and returned to the hall. Here eyes were calm and peaceful. She was conscious up to the end and left the body at 11:30a.m. quite peacefully."

Earlier I had asked, what is mind?

Earlier I had asked, what is mind? Mind is only the outgoing flow in words of this life principle, the prana. And how does the mind work? The mind is limited to the conditioning to which it has been exposed therefore, the mind cannot go beyond the specific molding it has undergone in the individual.. Nisargadatta Maharaj.
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Tony O'Clery Consciousness is one's constant companion-------So pray to that constant companion of yours and not to some imaginary conceptual god...NiZ.
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Brian Castleman ‎"The mind is limited to the conditioning to which it has been exposed therefore, the mind cannot go beyond the specific molding it has undergone in the individual." So true billions of neurons in the first years of life that absorb the environments filled with all sorts of likes/dislikes of others that is later confused as personal opinions and feelings. Conditioning is deeply rooted.
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MJ Himanshu what is the mind ??
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Brian Castleman thoughts held together
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MJ Himanshu and who prays ?
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Tony O'Clery ego goes out and catches thoughts...creating a bundle ---that is mind.
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MJ Himanshu is ego a thought ??
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Tony O'Clery everything in manifestation is a thought/mind.
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MJ Himanshu is thought matter or consciousness ??
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MJ Himanshu is it possible to think without words ??
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MJ Himanshu what the fuck is a thought ??
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Brian Castleman MJ consider this Ramana Maharshi quote "Existence or consciousness is the only reality. Consciousness plus waking, we call waking. Consciousness plus sleep, we call sleep. Consciousness plus dream, we call dream. Consciousness is the screen on which all the pictures come and go." Now think about thought and what it is.. It is something superimposed on stillness which is your true nature.
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Tony O'Clery thought is illusion as all is delusion ultimately.Niz talks of only two sides to the coin life force prana and consciousness--sakti/siva.
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Tony O'Clery Life force is inseparable aspect or kinetic of consciousness.
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MJ Himanshu how do i stop thinking ??
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Tony O'Clery MJ meditate until you develop nirvikalpa samadhi.
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Brian Castleman All you have to do is stop giving them so much power over you see them for what they really are
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Tony O'Clery kevala at first and then eventually sahaja or moksha.
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Brian Castleman just a passing mirage in the distance you are not thought
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Tony O'Clery It is good to be the witness and observe it is better to go beyond completley.
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Tony O'Clery It is necessary to go beyond consciousness and awareness even.
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Brian Castleman what do you mean Tony?
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Tony O'Clery NirGuna.
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Brian Castleman ahhh to be without form..
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Tony O'Clery nirguna, nirvana, sahaja, moksha.
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Tony O'Clery ajativada.
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Tony O'Clery it never happened at all.
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Brian Castleman Right as Nisargdatta tells us thinking there is a way out is also part of the dream..
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MJ Himanshu Tony this is like peeling an endless onion ♥♥
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MJ Himanshu isnt there a simpler way ??
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MJ Himanshu love you Brian and Tony ♥♥
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Brian Castleman Pay attention to your breath breathing in and out and between your in and out breath there is a steady firm awareness abide in that
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Brian Castleman It will reveal itself accordingly.. always know everything happens automatically by the Will of God
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Brian Castleman and you are That... Namaste I'm off to the grocery store :)
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MJ Himanshu ‎((((♥))))
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Tony O'Clery dump the onion---just go beyond.
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MJ Himanshu haha love you Tony ♥♥ gotta crash its midnight in Bombay, India ♥♥
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Tony O'Clery no will no god.
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Tony O'Clery except oneSelf.
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T O'CLERY'S GURU ANALYSIS

T O'CLERY'S GURU ANALYSIS


59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so."GThomas.



Purport:

Take heed of the living Jesus(Mukta), for on death you may not know where you are and where you are going. Also some people don’t even know that they have died, and get distracted. One cannot achieve Liberation after death so easily. Use this opportunity of this life and don’t waste it.



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Why do people follow Charlatans and non realised teachers? I think it is because they have not done enough study and sadhana to recognise the difference and they are too lazy to--so they want instant mcdonalds type enlightenment...Also in psychology 101 .Social Psychology...and modern life -Middlebrook- one will fine the definition of a leader as somebody, followers identify with but consider more knowledgeable or better at the job than they are...There is also the pop-idol syndrome and the egotistic need for seeing or Darshan of a spiritual teacher...This is a common identification process...All of this psychology the charlatans are aware of and use....and once you get away from the gurulings to the gurus one comes across transference of imagery on the the inner mind...or naming of ones's inner mind...after the guru...Buddhist call it the counterpart sign and it is more perfect than the original image....

Realised Teachers or Sadgurus IMHO...are the late Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, and presently living Sri Lakshmana Swami and Mathru Sri Sarada...There may be a mere handful more...All the non realised guru/teachers are in the mind only.



The Manduka Upanishad and the Muktas say it is better to follow the teachings of a dead Mukta than a live non Mukta. That is because Muktas are the Self and have the Sakitpat of the Self in their words and actions.

http://www.biogetica.com/i_am_that.pdf

Here is the truth ..

http://www.beasyouare.info/beasyouare.pdf



Why don't they publish..?...Like Alan Jacobs or David Godman or Maurice Frydman or Fuerstein on Patanjali...but the vindists don't as they are ignorant and have learned a non dual conceptual lingo that is all.



1. Non enlightened Gurus and even Frauds..These pages will build up over time.These are million dollar and billion dollar operators...Using the same system of always have something to be financed so donations keep flowing.



Sathya Sai Baba...'Alleged' pedophile, embezzler and murderer..Teachings are an eclectic mix of Hindu and other religions to suit more people..Claims to be an incarnation of Shirdi Baba.



Nithyananda......Alleged sexual and other irregularities.



Sri Sri Ravishankara....Big Biz...Roadshow Guru..broke away from Mahesh ...



Bhagavan and Sri of Oneness University......Big Biz Roadshow Guru.



Isha Foundation.....Big Biz...



2. Non Realised Neo-Advaitins and Verbal Non Dualists.

There are many of these...of whom their own Guru, Papaji said that they were not even a little bit enlightened and he sent them out to get the leeches off his back, in the hope some people would come to India for the real message..( 'It never happened'-David Godman).

Papaji said his own disciple-teachers,mooji, gangaji etc, were not even temporarily enlightened



I quoted Papaji the guru of cohen, gangaji, mooji etc.............I was not stating my own belief but Papaji's own statements to David Godman...I mention neo- advaitins and meat eaters like Mooji..who is famous for his 'lazy man's road to enlightenment' video on youtube. If you look you will see nervousness before he speaks and realises he has the crowd,,,only egos get nervous...My contention with the neo advaitins is that they essentially teach that sadhana to remove vasanas is not really necessary....although Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi did sadhanA before and after Moksha...........The Mundakya Upanishad says it is better to read the Upanishads and follow the teachings of real Gurus or Muktas..THAN FOLLOW NON REALISED TEACHERS...that is my advice and what I follow....I only know two muktas on the planet and they are Sr Mathru Sarada and Sri Lakshmana Swamy...both in the Ramana line..Also a death experience is necessary before complete realisation.... What I am saying is that many so called teachers and self-styled gurus are superflous--just entertainment............Tony





Papaji made it clear in the book "Nothing Ever Happened"--David Godman, that those he sent to



teach not only are not enlightened, they are not even temporarily enlightened.



#1. When asked about those he sent to teach, Papaji said that the purpose was to



have them point the way to Lucknow, not to pose as awakenened teachers.



#2. Papaji said that many can fool others into thinking they are liberated but



they are the false coin.



#3. When asked about the experiences that so many people had in Lucknow, he said



they were false experiences.... See More



#4. When asked, "Why did you give them false experiences?" he said to get the



leeches off my back.



#5. Papaji said he met only two Jnani's in his lifetime. One was Ramana



Maharshi. The other was a man who appeared from out of the jungle into the town



of Krishnagiri.



#6. Ramana Maharshi said that there is a false sense of liberation that



aspirants reach that very few ever go beyond.





Papajis sent out disciple-teachers include ..Mooji, Gangaji, Cohen and a whole host of neo advaitins ...These are all small fry in comparison to Nithyananda and Sai Baba.Then there are all the gurulings sprouting up in the business.





These include Gangaji, Mooji,and all other Papaji disciples who are known teachers..Then we have Adyashanti, Liquorman, Byron Katie,Sailor Bob,Tolle, Parsons, Cohen and more.



All non realised teachers claiming to have the 'philosopher's stone'....and the non dual knowledge..Apparently they have the knowledge to collect donations...and gullible disciples.Some are paying themselves salaries of 59K to 100K a year...and that is only what is declared.



This week we will take a look at;

1.New ones on the gurulings scene are Bentinho Massaro and Karen Richards, who have a good grasp of marketing themselves and their product and the psychology of dealing with disciples and followers...They don't teach anything new...just have learned all the concepts and non dual speak....If they stuck to philosophy they would be fine but like the rest they need to sell the 'Secret of the Philosopher's Stone'...They intimate as they are teachers they 'know' something when like the rest they are the blind leading the blind and taking donations...Essentially what they teach is what they call 'awareness' which in fact is a form of preparation for meditation only. However they take it to a level it doesn't exist on as Awareness is The Self or Universal Consciousness. What they consider to be awareness is just the ego quietly hiding and observing its own thoughts...the 'Thief in the Palace'...the Thief pretending to be the Policeman. So in the concentration and meditation preparation they are useful other than that they only have an entertainment value..As all they do is still in the mind...and is not NirVikalpa Samadhi ..Kevala or Sahaja..Any non dual state they lead to is deceptive and not liberation and only leads to re-birth as is evidenced by the fact they are here teaching the concepts the brought with them from previous lifetimes..

Michael Jeffreys and Cory Bright.

These gentlemen amongst others are enablers and ride point for these 'Actor Philosophers' as Nisargadatta Maharaj calls them....posting much from aspiring mini-mes gurulings like Bentinho Massaro, who collects donations for his 'work', which has a resounding similarity to the words of Muktas but misses the point with his own non-realised additions.. It is all part of the play of consciousness --------------including me writing this....



Sailor Bob Adamson and his new business partnership with Gilbert Schultz...

2.It now seem that Bob has gone in with Gilbert to use paypal to sell products...In fact the money goes to Gilbert's paypal account first..Bob's teaching are a regurgitation of the Jnanis which are given freely with no charge...Essentially the teachings of Nisargadatta Maharaj,Ramana Maharshi and others. Why people cannot buy the original teachings which are available I don't know...Neither Bob nor Gilbert are anywhere near realised. Even at a stretch they are superfluous....really..go direct to Ramana or Maharaj's sites. Apparently Gilbert Schultz has turned up on Facebook in a different name I am informed..Is William Richardson Gilbert? let me know...aoclery@yahoo.com



Sarlo's list of Gururatings..

Sarlo doesn't get into Jnanis and Muktas and just comments on their teachings and not where they come from. He doesn't get into Mysticism, Sadgurus and Muktas like I will. I post Sarlo's site to show the situation with how many are in the business...

http://www3.telus.net/public/sarlo/Ratings.htm

Oprah's Forum....Neo-Advaitins.....




http://www.oprah.com/community/message/509403





Here is a TV report on Eckhart Tolle, who is Oprah's business partner in her new spiritual enterprise or business pushing his books and lectures...at 200-300 dollars a lecture or 995 dollars for the weekend...........Tolle is an eclectic mix of Long, Gurdjieff, the Vedanta and other spiritual systems..........he claims some kind of enlightenment but contradicts his own teachings continually..........I have read him and he may be of some use to neophytes but a real Guru he is not----he is a businessman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BVLFtfjrkU





The Path of Advaita according to Shankara



For the purposes of this article, presented below is a very short

summary of the pre-requisites needed by a seeker before achieving

Self-Realization or Liberation (as specified by Shankara in his

Vivekachudamani - The Crest Jewel of Discrimination translated into

Tamil by Ramana Maharshi and from Tamil into English by Sir Arthur

Osborne).

In order to be qualified for enquiry into the

Self, a man must have a powerful intellect and ability to seize the

essential and reject the inessential besides the various qualities

enumerated in the scriptures. What are these? He must be able to

discriminate between the real and the unreal. He must have an

unattached mind. He must ardently desire liberation. And he must be

tireless in practice Only such one is qualified to enquire into

Brahman. The qualifications are enumerated as follows:

1. Discrimination between the real and the unreal.

2. Disinclination to enjoy the fruit's of one's actions.

3. The six virtues of tranquility, self-control, withdrawal, forbearance, faith, and concentration of the Self.

4. Intense yearning for liberation.

The aspirant must indeed have these qualities in

order to attain abidance in the Self; without them there can be no

realization of the Truth.



This then is the simplified version of Shankara's instructions for truth realization.




http://www.facebook.com/notes/tony-oclery/how-can-one-recognize-a-realized-teacher-or-sadguru/10150253877266218




IT IS AN ANALYSIS OF GURUS, GURULINGS AND SPIRITUAL TEACHERS IN COMPARISON WITH RECOGNISED REALISED TEACHERS OR MUKTAS.

To put it simply..1..there are gurus who are the Self and beyond the mind....they are real Sadgurus and Muktas.

To put it simply..1..there are gurus who are the Self and beyond the mind....they are real Sadgurus and Muktas.
2 All the rest who are unrealised are in the mind and can only talk in the mind...and the mind is the problem so how can somebody drowning in the ocean of mind help you from drowning in it?


Even if you take the life-force as god itself, the working principle is the life force . The consciousness is merely the witnessing process..Nisargadatta Maharaj...


When you are in a position to observe consciousness you are out of consciousness . Then you are what we call the 'awareness state'. the vijnana or jnana state.Niz.


NB. This is of course Sakti/Siva two sides to the same coin,,,

Apparently the Advaita Vedantists were perturbed by my report.

Apparently the Advaita Vedantists were perturbed by my report. That is because they keep one foot in the superstition of Isvara camp....Here is a response to them ...



Namaste S********ji et al,



I think we can take Maharaj literally as he is talking about ajativada which is in complete agreement with what Ramana Maharshi says also..Even 'awareness' which is part of the Saguna Brahman concept is also unreal...for in NirGuna by definition alone, what can be aware of what? Maharaj is consistent in his statements and what he calls the life force is the sakti prana and what he calls the other side of the coin is consciousness or sive, hence siva-sakti..I do not worry too much about the semantics of it all; I just notice that the highest teachings of Ramana and Niz are exactly in agreement, with regard to all this, and literally. I find it somewhat difficult to disagree with two accepted Muktas who are in agreement with each other. They both agree that 'nothing ever happened', not even the appearance, and that is good enough for me.. I am not realised obviously as I am writing on here, however I practise my kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi regularly and there is no world or appearance there......Cheers Tony.

The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj.

The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj.

The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness.The consciousness and the life force together may be given the highest name and The Jnani is that principle which dismisses the life force and the consciousness..N Maharaj." that is atman.Iswara, whatever; but the jnani is not even that. The Jnani is apart from even the highest category. Having understood what the consciousness is and the life force is, I have never gone to anyone asked whether my view is correct or incorrect....Nisargadatta Maharaj.....



This is Niz talking of Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi or NirGuna....my entry on wikipedia re Ajativada explains this in detail...Tony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajativada

Niz says there is no difference between any animals

Niz says there is no difference between any animals, insects or humans...just the process that is all......Overpopulation of any being is called an infestation. Right now the human simian is an infestation on the planet.....Gaia might shake her fleas.

The muktas and the upanishads say it is better to read the words of a dead mukta

-.The muktas and the upanishads say it is better to read the words of a dead mukta than to listen to the words of a live guru who is not a mukta...........no sakitpat...tolle and all the other actor philosophers and businessmen have no saktipat...therefore their teachings run off eventually like water off a ducks back---they don't penetrate--

'heaven on earth' 'secular humanists'

As long as the dog has a bent hind leg human nature will never change...and the failed experiments of the 'heaven on earth' 'secular humanists' proves that...We can ultimately only change ourselves...and society be controlled for the common good.

Papaji-In fact, he stated, the Westerners

-Papaji-In fact, he stated, the Westerners never requested nor received true teachings; what they recieved, he recounted, were “lollipops for the ignorant” which he dispensed to them. He called the Western teachers “fake coins, which glittered like gold but have no real value.” Nobody, Papaji claimed, was “worthy to receive his final teachings.”-

http://www.beasyouare.info/beasyouare.pdf

http://www.beasyouare.info/beasyouare.pdf

This book and 'I am that' are probably all one needs....

Some seekers are fated to follow a true guru A mukta Sadguru

Some seekers are fated to follow a true guru A mukta Sadguru...others are fated to follow the frauds for a time. I followed a massive fraudster for 15 years...What saved me was reading Ramana and Maharaj and the Vedantic Texts...others were not so lucky.....but it is all part of the journey...there is somebody to suit all stages...I sometimes wish somebody had warned me...but it was all part of the game or lila...

What amazes me is why seekers or sadhakers don't just follow Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharshi, and other Muktas and their sayings instead of all the entertainers, and non realised spouters....It is a mind boggling question...

http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ashtavakragita.html

I am that online...

I am that online...

http://www.biogetica.com/i_am_that.pdf

It is amazing that the whirlpool( Individual)

It is amazing that the whirlpool( Individual) in the ocean of consciousness thinks it is separate, and yet believes it will never dissipate or die. Even more amazing is the seeker that realises the whole manifestation is an illusion that never happened except for themselves................

One suggestion Niz has is to read the Bhagavad Gita from the perspective of Krishna himself

One suggestion Niz has is to read the Bhagavad Gita from the perspective of Krishna himself as it gives a new perspective, as Krishna is the 'I Am' consciousness and life force.............

The only awakening is the apperceiving of that-which-is. Indeed there is no question of a 'who' in this apperceiving because the apperceiving itself is one's true nature, and the pre-requisite of such apperceiving is the disappearance of the phenomenon...Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Most religions were originally based on direct pure thoughts.

Most religions were originally based on direct pure thoughts. In course of time they degenerated into concepts. And on these concepts has been erected gradually an enormous amouphous structure, made enchanting enough to attract and mislead millions of people....Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Love is Saguna Brahman...Love has no need or satisfaction

Love is Saguna Brahman...Love has no need or satisfaction...if your love is mutual attachment and need then it is emotional sentiment not love...Love is Brahman and Brahman is Love....

All the rituals, and the non realised teachers all play a part in pointing away from the illusion....

Yes whether they be honest, exploitive or deluded charitable or businessmen, they are fellow objects in the illusion. Although I separate those who offend the concept of ahimsa from the rest, even then all part of the leela.
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Tony O'Clery We are just fortunate that we have subjects like Maharaj, Ramana, and still with us Lakshmana Swamy and Saradamma, to aid we objects.
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Understand that there is nothing religious or reverential about the process of manifestation, which occurs spontaneously, in which you as an individual entity are in no way concerned........Nisargadatta Maharaj.

I am that quotes of Maharaj

I am that quotes of Maharaj

http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/images/uploaded/file/iamquotesofnisargadatta.pdf

Ultimately there is no creation of any kind.

Ultimately there is no creation of any kind.

Namaste RSji,

Ultimately there is no creation of any kind....but attributing some validity for
arguments sake...there is no reincarnation of a personality. There are clouds of
memories so to speak---Nisargadatta Maharaj---tendencies and attributes that
provide the energy for a new body...The ego is only these vibrations at this
time which is only the ego in potentiality as it needs a body,of any kind, to
manifest...The ego rises in the new body as soon as the child realises its own
small "I am' and builds the illusory personality from there...It uses the
defensive reaction response of the animal body and distorts that into the great
ego that humans have. So the
essence is just the egg and sperm of the mother and father and the tendencies
are inherited so to speak...but new ones develop new vasanas...

In all truth this is all in illusion..............Tony.

Sankaracharya on the road to moksha

Sankaracharya on the road to moksha


"praanaayaamam pratyaahaaram nityaanitya vivekavichaaram jaapyasameta samaadhividhaanam kurvavadhaanam mahadavadhaanam"

[Practice Prananyam & Pratyahara. Acquire the faculty to discriminate between the real and the fleeting. Learn the secrets (of inner meditation) including chanting of the holy name of God etc leading to Samadhi and thus silence the turbulent mind. Perform these with care, with extreme care.Sankara

No personality takes rebirth...it is all illusion.

>
> My question is on re-birth. I am convinced of all principles of Advaita. I
understand well that there is one substratum, one consciousness and one Brahman.
I also understand Tat Tvam Asi.
>
> The only issue I have is about Punar Janma. Punar Janma is not included in any
advaitic principle, to my little understanding.

Namaste S---lji,

No personality takes rebirth...it is all illusion. Having said that and
attributing some validity to illusion whilst one is in it so to speak; Some form
of rebirth of memories/samskaras/vasanas provide the energy for a new
body.....Nisargadatta Maharaj says they are like memories in a cloud...The new
personality forms from the time the child becomes aware of itself and the
ahamkara or ego develops so to speak...So all is based on this
phantom..........There is no reincarnation in my opinion and from what I have
learned from NIZ...Cheers Tony.

Namaste Tonyji,

When a baby is born to a particular parents he gets identified with the parents. The child will have his siblings and when he grows up will have his friends and then marry and have his separate family. He will grow old and his hair will grey. Then he will die. Now let us say that this person will take another birth but he may not have his same parents in his next birth nor have the same siblings nor have the same wife and family with children. Even his name may change. So even if he is reborn he will be born with a different identity. Thus the same personality is not reborn as there is a change which continues even on rebirth. That is why the rebirth is not the reappearance of the person with the same physical or mental make up. Once you accept this then only you will be able to accept the next step of how the rebirth takes place. There are several good books on the theory of rebirth. One particularly I liked was "Theory of Rebirth: Being a treatise on Indian Philosophy." Written, edited, and translated by Radhanath Phukan, M.A., B.L.

Regads,

S

The futility of human existence is the pursuit of pleasure,

The futility of human existence is the pursuit of pleasure, in the main, through lifetime after lifetime; The satisfying of the ego and senses over and over and over and over ad infinitum, through pralaya after maha-pralaya, through eternity in dimension after dimension, planet after planet....plane after plane. As Ramana says' there is always a body'..., for the desire egos. The cessation of this Dukkha only comes with Moksha. Otherwise one continually builds families, possessions, desires, achievements for a phantom that continues living and living and living, with no respite.

Pleasure is a distraction from the illness or disease of birth.

Even the Devas take incarnation to free themselves from their happiness.........



All this built upon a child upon whom the ego or ahamkara has arose....



Maharj say so called rebirth is the like a cloud of memories providing the energy for a new existence.

Surrender once for all and be done with the desire.

Bhagavan:

Surrender once for all and be done with the desire. So long as the sense of doership is retained there is the desire; that is also personality. If this goes the Self is found to shine forth pure. The sense of doership is the bondage and not the actions themselves.

“Be still and know that I am God.” Here stillness is total surrender without a vestige of individuality. Stillness will prevail and there will be no agitation of mind. Agitation of mind is the cause of desire, the sense of doership and personality. If that is stopped there is quiet. There ‘Knowing’ means ‘Being’. It is not the relative knowledge involving the triads, knowledge, subject and object.

source: Talk 354

Bhagavan also added, “We have to contend against agelong samskaras.

Bhagavan also added, “We have to contend against agelong

samskaras. They will all go. Only, they go

comparatively soon in the case of those who have already

made sadhana in the past, and late in the case of the others.”

In this connection I asked, “Do these samskaras go gradually

or will they suddenly disappear one day? I ask this, because

though I have remained fairly long here I do not perceive

any gradual change in me.”

Bhagavan asked, “When the sun rises, does the darkness go gradually or all at once?”

Source: Day by Day 31-3-1945 afternoon

Ashtavakra said: Bondage is when the mind longs

Ashtavakra Gita--Bondage translated by john richards....

Ashtavakra said:

Bondage is when the mind longs for something, grieves about something, rejects something, holds on to something, is pleased about something or displeased about something. 8.1

Liberation is when the mind does not long for anything, grieve about anything, reject anything, or hold on to anything, and is not pleased about anything or displeased about anything. 8.2

Bondage is when the mind is tangled in one of the senses, and liberation is when the mind is not tangled in any of the senses. 8.3

When there is no "me," that is liberation, and when there is "me" there is bondage. Consider this carefully, and neither hold on to anything nor reject anything. 8.4

Watching the grief and vicarious grief about Norway shows just how self indulgent

Watching the grief and vicarious grief about Norway shows just how self indulgent and emotionally incontinent we are in the west....In somalia a woman who has lost say 3 children is much more accepting and stoic,,,,
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Peter I think you'll find that , is the way , she deals with her grief , in the numbness and shock , that follows loss of a loved one !

Tony O'Clery Yes that can be also true in most circumstances but in countries were death is not hidden away in a nursing home or hospital it is as natural as the leaves falling in Autumn...These societies have a completely different attitude to our 'hide death' and create a heaven on earth....They are more true unto themselves.......
We make the mistake of transferring our ideas from out perverted and diverted society on to people living in a more natural society....They are more stoic and surrenedered we are self indulgent wallow in grief and joy....even vicariously for attention.

I think Vedantists doesn't approve of me taking the idea of illusion a step further than appearance.

Namaste,

I think Vedantists doesn't approve of me taking the idea of illusion a
step further than appearance....for appearance needs a mind and Brahman cannot
have duality so appearance also never happened.. I know the path they has gone
down very well....go to the advaitin groups and advaita sites and you will see
more of them....but it leads nowhere for it is all in the mind discussing the
mind...and people like to own their concepts....Also a teacher shouldn't really
be a teacher unless they have achieved what it is they are teaching, although it
is a a maxim if you can't do something then teach it...
Whether all these ideas are pointers or not they have come about due to the body
and consciousness manifesting in it...the son of a barren woman...The have all
come about because a child noticed that it existed and built on
that.............consciousness has originally forced itself on unawareness and
then on the child...As NIZ said it is all trash this religious and spiritual
study, and all the actor philosophers....there is only to recognise the I
amness.....a feeling not a mantra and realise that...

I don't think for one moment that I have gone a step further than sankara...he
didn't go beyond appearance as they wouldn't grasp it...Nir Vana means- no
sample Nir Guna means -beyond...

This is the only entry or writing besides discussion groups that I have
composed....Why? Because I am not realised and have vasanas so I am not
qualified to teach or be a sadguru....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajativada

avidya is at the individual level

avidya is at the individual level maya is the universal level...ahamkara has to be eliminated a thorn to remove a thorn...realisation is just overcoming ones vasanas.

http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ashtavakragita.html

http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ashtavakragita.html

-Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying

I am trying to tell you ---Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying in the name of religion , in the name of spirituality. Understand only one thing -That godly principle is there..that 'I amness', or consciousness-that is godliest of prinicples. It is there as long as the vital breath or life force is there...Maharaj.
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Visitor: Is God apart from the Self?+URLs

Visitor: Is God apart from the Self?
Bhagavan: Ramana---The Self is God. “I AM” is God. “I am the Self, O Gudakesa!” (Ahamatma Gudakesa).
This question arises because you are holding the ego self. This will not arise if you hold the True Self. For the Real Self will not and cannot ask anything. If God be apart from the Self He must be a Self-less God, which is absurd.

source: Talk 363

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Life_of_Masters/Ramana-Maharshi/Meditation-Experiences.htm

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Life_of_Masters/Ramana-Maharshi/Self-Inquiry.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXlV8cI-ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-OS8LU6JW8&feature=related

When Niz talks of the life force and worshipping

When Niz talks of the life force and worshipping that, he calls it Krishna, or Christ Principle along with consciousness...So people who worship forms or Istadevatas are actually putting a name and a form on the life-force....

Just thinking of Casey Anthony trial.

Just thinking of Casey Anthony trial... Niz Maharaj says that psychiatrists will not really be able to help people until they know what the mind is..........

The Secret of Liberation...ia the Birth Principle..NIZ...This is all you need!!!!

The Secret of Liberation...ia the Birth Principle..NIZ...This is all you need!!!!
by Tony O'Clery on Friday, July 15, 2011 at 3:30pm

Only one in a crore, (10million),persons can find out what the birth principle is. And once you know it is everything, all knowledge belongs to you-even liberation is yours.......Nisargadatta .Maharaj....



The birth principle is Turyia.........Turiya is the 'I Am'..It is the witness state...it is Saguna........Tony .



Turiya is the 4th state above waking, dreaming, and deep sleep...above Turiya is Turyiatita or Nirguna...



I have put this in a note as it is the secret of liberation and it is so simple..........following the teachings of Niz...concentrate on the 'I Am'...excluding all else...develop that feeling that all is one and all is you....Koham -who am I? Soham--I am He!....I Am Siva -Sivoham...To slip iinto the parlance of Ramana Maharshi...one must go into samadhi....NirVikalpa Samadhi as that is Turiyatita....however most cannot hold it due to scum on the pond preventing the relfection of the sun or vasanas. I personally cannot truly hold it for much more than half an hour...or less than an hour anyway...Once one can hold the state permanently it is, to quote Ramana.. No longer Kevala but Sahaja NirVikalpa Samadhi...or realisation, liberation, Moksha, or whatever term you wish to use to grasp it...Moksha is Moha Kyshaya or delusion destroyed...



In order to understand Maharaj...he says one must worship the vital force that prana...that meditation is necessary. Presumably as it is the kinetic side of consciousness and is within our grasp....All this comes from Maharaj and Ramana.....Tony.

To save time and posts..A true Guru or Sadguru is a realised person

To save time and posts..A true Guru or Sadguru is a realised person or a Mukta...all else are just actors entertaining. To be a Mukta a person must go through real death experience like Jesus, Ramana, Maharaj etc....and be able to teach in silence..........simple as that.
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Tony O'Clery This does not mean there aren't sincere non realised teachers, who admit they are not realised and rely directly on the sayings and teachings. However being realises is like being outside the bottle...and inside the bottle there are those at the bottom of the liquid and some floating at the top.....but they are all in the bottle of non realisation and illusion...and the floaters cannot show the way out

Nisargadatta Maharaj on the non realised teacher/philosophers.

Nisargadatta Maharaj on the non realised teacher/philosophers.
by Tony O'Clery on Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 7:39am

Nisargadatta Maharaj on the non realised teacher/philosophers.



"Talking about philosophers, all these philosophers what are they doing? They are only acting philosophy!"





Note. The fact that these non realised teachers are only acting means they have no power, they do not have the working Saktipat of the Self. They are superfluous. as the real teachings and recordings of the Muktas are extant. They are the blind leading the blind, they charge money or accept donations, for their plagiarised unrealised wisdom. I have already posted what Papaji said about his disciples who teach----that they are not even a little bit enlightened.

A lot of the Indian gurus like the late sai baba, or the present bhagavan and amma or one university and many others work psychologically. That is they get the devotees to take their images into their minds. They get the devotees to transfer or displace the fake gurus image on to their inner mind, so worship and pray to..as their own higher self....This is a well known trick in India that is well known to many...Westerners have no idea at all.....Once the image has been put on the devotees inner mind it is hard to remove, as the inner mind usually has no image. The fake guru becomes part of the devotees psyche..........

In the practise of meditation this life force gets purified

In the practise of meditation this life force gets purified and the light of the Atman shines forth. However the working principle is still the life force and the light of the Self merge into each other, then the concept, imagination, or mind, everything is held in abeyance...Maharaj.

Some basic points...1.Within illusion there is only karma and prana in the universe.

Some basic points...1.Within illusion there is only karma and prana in the universe.


Some basic points...1.Within illusion there is only karma and prana in the universe. Prana or the life force and consciousness of 'I Am' are not really separate..prana is just the kinetic of the consciousness....We are not just pranis but Praneaswara. 2.Only a being that has realised they are the real 'I Am' is qualified to teach...the rest are just speculation and entertainment...at the lowest level of speech or vocality...Only a mukta has the Saktipat of the Self....of which they control.3. There is no separate god apart from ourselves..we are all praneaswara...What people worship is the life force...which is love, and energy and consciousness all in one.................

Important Couplets From Vedanta Panchadasi By Sri Vidya

Important Couplets From Vedanta Panchadasi By Sri Vidya
by Tony O'Clery on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 at 12:17pm

Important Couplets From Vedanta Panchadasi By Sri Vidya

XIV. THE BLISS OF KNOWLEDGE

13. As water does not stick to the leaves of a lotus so after realisation future actions cannot stick to the knower.

15. Sri Krishna says: ˜Just as a blazing fire reduces the fuel to ashes, so, O Arjuna,the fire of knowledge burns up all actionsâ.

16. ˜He who has no notion of I-ness and whose mind is not tainted by desire for results of action is not really a killer even if he kills people; he is not bound by his actions.

42. Let the ignorant people of the world perform worldly actions and desire to

possess wives, children and wealth. I am full of supreme bliss. For what purpose

should I engage myself in worldly concerns ?

I asked, “But what about a pure materialist,Ramana

I asked, “But what about a pure materialist, who does not believe in God. How are we to deal with him?”
Bhagavan: He will come gradually, step by step, to find out the source of ‘I’. First, adversity will make him feel that there is a power beyond his control, upsetting his plans. Then, he will begin with rituals, ceremonial worship, and through japa, kirtan, dhyana, go on to vichara...Ramana


That was my own route and in the end found there was no separate god....either...Just the Self and ultimately NirGuna..Tony

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.
by Tony O'Clery on Monday, July 11, 2011 at 9:08am

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.....so words like enlightenment or realisation are just words to describe a non existent event. So there is no word for it. We are already enlightened....we are like ponds with scum on..remove the scum/vasanas of desire mind and the pond reflects the sun...The Guru is actually the Inner Sadguru or Self...the outer Guru is the same Self a Mukta--Guru-Self, working through a different illusory body than yours...One is pulling and the other is pushing so to speak but it is ever the same Sadguru. One's own pond has scum on it but the Guru's doesn't so reflects the sun/Self

The body is an organism that will function its own way we are almost possessors, of it. The built up egoic mind entity occupies the natural body as a tool to enjoy and prolong pleasures and sense stimulation. Most people don't get any more enlightened as they age, they just get older with their bucket of desires still full.

Anything of mind is illusion...Truth cannot be spoken of as it then becomes a concept it can only be apperceived. Even, consciousness-prana, the Self, 'Awareness and Being', are all illusory Saguna....for where are they in NirVikalpa Samadhi?????????Nir Vana, Nir Viklpa, Nir Guna are all ways of decribing neti neti to the fullest......One last point -the human body/mind doesn't create a guru to follow,,that is also a form of body consciousness that some cannot shake off from their speculations...The answer is Ajativada as is my entry on wikipedia.

Nisargadatta Maharaj on Self euthanasia..

Nisargadatta Maharaj on Self euthanasia...............
by Tony O'Clery on Friday, July 8, 2011 at 3:31pm

Q. Is it obligatory to live out one's natural life span?

M. Natural -spontaneously -easy-yes. But disease and suffering are not natural. There is noble virtue in unshakable endurance of whatever comes but there is also dignity in the refusal of meaningless torture and humiliation....



Maharaj's body suffered with cancer in its last stages...but there was nobody home to accept the pain...
When you are awake you are consciousness when you are asleep you are only alive. Consciousness and and life---both you may call god but you are beyond god beyond being and not being....Maharaj.

"Pre-occupation with theory, doctrine and philosophy can actually be harmful,

"Pre-occupation with theory, doctrine and philosophy can actually be harmful,
insofar as it distracts a man from the really important work of spiritual
effort, by offering an easier alternative which is merely mental, and which
therefore cannot change his nature."

(says Arthur Osborne in: The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi in His own Words,
Chap.1)

Without the body, the world is not.

Without the body, the world is not.
Without the mind, the body is not.
Without awareness, there is no mind.
And without being theris no Awareness.

Verse 99 - Guruvachaka kovai

Before volunteering for Abyssinia my father had a relationship with a German girl in Bavaria

Note *3. Before volunteering for Abyssinia my father had a relationship with a German girl in Bavaria...Munich I believe, although he visited at Nuremberg as well..Apparently he traveled backwards and forwards from the UK. On his last occasion there he was having a meal in a restaurant when two men, dressed in trilby brimmer hats and long leather coats, stood in the door way and shouted out his name. The Gestapo had come for him and it seems they didn't approve of his relationship with the German girl...whether it was due to the fact of his mother's Jewish family or the girl's I don't know. He was probably lucky he was an Neutral Irish National, for otherwise he may have been detained, although at this stage Britain and the UK were not at war.. The Germans had the name of every Jewish person and family in the British Isles going back to a grandparent to qualify. My father's mother would have been regarded as 100% due to her mother's status, at the very least, making myself, and siblings and cousins, also a candidate qualifying for the camps at Auschwitz and elsewhere...The Germans on the conquest of the British Isles were going to round up all the Jews and deport them to the camps along with other such as Communists etc..Bavaria would have been handy for the Gestapo as that was were Dachau, and Flossenberg, were situated; so my father's Irish Nationality saved him from going to that local concentration camp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

http://www.thirdreichruins.com/flossenburg.htm
Dachau concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org
Dachau concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager (KZ) Dachau, IPA: [ˈdaxaʊ]) was the first Nazi concentration camp opened in Germany, located on the grounds of an abandoned munitions factory near the medieval town of Dachau, about 16 km (9.9 mi) northwest of Munich in the state of Bavaria, whi

note with urls on debunking tolle

note with urls on debunking tolle
by Tony O'Clery on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 at 8:52am

I will save these urls on exposing tolle as a note.



They are written in an everyday understanding....but they do serve as an indication of what non realised teachers do and can do...........and of course the naivety of oprah perhaps............





http://www.blacksunjournal.com/books/1844_debunking-the-power-of-now-introduction_2009.html



http://www.businessninja.co.za/eckhart-tolle-power-of-now-fraud-charlatan.php

The test for a realised person is

I'll say it again Maharaj says you can only talk of what you 'know'. So all the unrealised teachers, mooji, tolle, gangaji, cohen, etc etc etc...are really only entertainers and only know intellectually more than others -perhaps.-may be useful to neophytes who are unaware of real Mukta Sadgurus...



The test for a realised person is -1. A literal death experience, not a dream or visualisation. Jesus,Maharaj,Ramana,Lakshmana Swamy, Mathru Sri Sarada, Sri Ramakrishna all died and were resurrected as the Self.



2. Be able to teach with silence...As Lakshmana Swamy still does....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-BeVGCINic



The realised Muktas have the Saktipat/Energy of the Self which is out of space and time and distance and is in their very words...

Carmen -- Why did Ramana say that we have to only remove the false idea of being not realized? Or do you think once we remove that false idea we will die?
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Tony O'Clery The ego will die....the body will continue on if necessary...with the universal consciousness..However apparently all realised muktas go through a real death experience as the body loses the ego...Just as a normal body dies when the ego leaves at what humans call death...but the mukta resurrects as the Self.
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Tony O'Clery I only post this as so many follow entertainers and false prophets as Jesus calls them...or actors as maharaj calls them...and there are extant teachings that make the intermediary teachers superfluous and in the main self serving.
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Maharaj and the necessary 'death experience' for realisation.David Godman.

Maharaj and the necessary 'death experience' for realisation.David Godman.
by Tony O'Clery on Friday, June 24, 2011 at 5:06pm

At some point Maharaj asked him, 'Have you witnessed your own death?' and Rudi replied 'No'.



Maharaj then launched into a mini-lecture on how it was necessary to witness one's own death in order for there to be full realisation of the Self. He said that it had happened to him after he thought that he had fully realised the Self, and it wasn't until after this death experience that he understood that this process was necessary for final liberation. I hope somebody recorded this dialogue on tape because I am depending on a twenty-five-year-old memory for this. It seems to be a crucial part of Maharaj's experience and teachings but I never heard him mention it on any other occasion. I have also not come across it in any of his books.



Maharaj continued to pester Rudi about the necessity of witnessing death, but Rudi kept quiet and just smiled beatifically. He refused to defend himself, and he refused to be provoked. Anyway, I don't think he was in any condition to start and sustain an argument. Whatever state he was in seemed to be compelling all his attention. I got the feeling that he found articulating even brief replies hard

The child is loved most whilst the Sun of the Self

The child is loved most whilst the Sun of the Self is not obscured by the clouds of ego...ie. in the first couple of years or so.

The hardest shell to crack is the shell of pollyanny emotional sentiment and attachment mistaken for Love. The next hardest thing is to shake the belief that pleasure is a good thing, and we should indoctrinate our kids/pet humans in this.We love our kids as they mirror us and we want them to be little pet humans that grow up mini-mes and we get pleasure from observing similarities.

I am in consciousness as the 'witness'.

I am in consciousness as the 'witness'. I am beyond it as Being. The manifested Saguna and unmanifest NirGuna are not different.........Maharaj...p92.IAT.

Q. What is fact? Maharaj. What is perceived in pure awareness unaffected by desire and fear is fact....p102...IAT...Maharaj.

When Ramana and Maharaj say do the 'Who am I? or 'I Am'...they don't mean think about what you are your small self....They mean meditation on the entire I Am of the universe or Self.

Re-birth and the memory causal body..

Re-birth and the memory causal body..


What reincarnates are the tendencies, attributes, vasanas -or memory causal body, or cloud of images..Maharaj says. Due to vibratory compensation and karma it identifies with a body in the womb at about 4 or 5 months and enters.But there is no 'I' and won't be for a couple of years after birth.. So the concept of reincarnating personality is a false interpolation.The whole construct is a hare's horn based on memory alone that ultimately doesn't exist.....

Ego and Ahamkara and infants...

Ego ego and Ahamkara and infants...


When discussing the rise of the ego or ahamkara in infants after a couple of years...one has to separate the 'defensive response mechanism' from what is termed ego...Every animal is aware of its defense response mechanism otherwise how would it know it is being attacked or hurt...THAT IS NOT AHAMKARA EGO..Humans take the response and add to it and distort it...creating the huge ego they have..A child at 18 months will talk in the third person a lot, if you notice....Also the ego of western psychology is not the Ahamkara ego...

Ego and Ahamkara and infants...

Ego ego and Ahamkara and infants...


When discussing the rise of the ego or ahamkara in infants after a couple of years...one has to separate the 'defensive response mechanism' from what is termed ego...Every animal is aware of its defense response mechanism otherwise how would it know it is being attacked or hurt...THAT IS NOT AHAMKARA EGO..Humans take the response and add to it and distort it...creating the huge ego they have..A child at 18 months will talk in the third person a lot, if you notice....Also the ego of western psychology is not the Ahamkara ego...

Maharaj says...The body has urges

Maharaj says...The body has urges.....the mind has pain and pleasures....but Awareness is unshaken and unattached.

(Problem is the mind noticing the urges and indulging them and expanding them into pleasures, resulting in eventual pain.) Tony...

Hope and compliant pleasure are the thieves of moksha.

Hope and compliant pleasure are the thieves of moksha.



People like each other because it is tribal and they share the same delusions; And it reinforces their common illusion and individual egos. This applies from the 'pet human' condition of children up to adult activities, entertainment and clubs. It is a diversion and ultimately an exercise in futility ; sharing the impossible hope of a heaven on earth instead of mayhem and chaos; And nature,karma, conquering all and adding inevitable pain. The inexerable progress of the ego going to hell in a hand basket....

As NIZ say the only so called 'god' is the vital force..

As NIZ say the only so called 'god' is the vital force...or prana....we are all praneaswara..and we are all forms of it...only one force.. So worshipping the vital force in a church or temple..or even a rock concert is no difference..........

An exercise I use is not separating the material,

An exercise I use is not separating the material, subtle and causal, as separate illusions..Otherwise one gets into material bodies and rebirth and all that when in fact the whole complex of kosas is a non happening event of the birth principle...neti neti.

The world's most egotistic and self indulgent game---GOLF.

The world's most egotistic and self indulgent game---GOLF. From a game that developed from chasing stones or balls down rabbit holes in Scotland to a business man's diversion golf is a waste. A waste of resources and water, land taken from the animals that could feed millions of starving people if used for food. Unlike the quick energy of a football game...golf requires the application and development of a strong ego sense of hours of time....just look at the kind of people who in the main follow the occupation....and see then what it is about...mostly business people and polilticians etc.

The basic attraction of human love is the ground

The basic attraction of human love is the ground or prana as we are all prani, but the ego adds attachment and distorts it into pollyanna sentimental emotionalism. Love in action is helping without thinking one is helping...

1985; With regard to my dream of being a cow in a slaughterhouse

1985; With regard to my dream of being a cow in a slaughterhouse


1985; With regard to my dream of being a cow in a slaughterhouse, and the subsequent horrific dream, that I had; I think my previous months of meditation and giving up drinking had allowed my intellectual or vijnanamayakosa to be cleaned somewhat, so it was developed enough to react to the 'dream', in a positive way and give up the hypocritical position of having 'god' in my heart and meat on my plate....In fact Ramana does say that sadhana and meditation are necessary for purification of the vasanas....but eating meat is bringing in untold millions of years of vasanas and the death process, of the animal into our own bodies...



Food affects the mind. For the practice of any kind of yoga, vegetarianism is absolutely necessary since it makes the mind more sattvic [pure and harmonious]. --Sri Ramana Maharshi.

One has no idea where we are at spiritually, as it is all in the citta vasana or subconscious mind. Every now and then one realises the purification is going on, sometimes we call the pranic cleaning of the kosas, the rise of kundalini or universal mind...